So, what I’ve done is merged the old ZC and BS Lists into a single Backlash Herders page, which now lists only Jews:
http://aryanism.net/blog/information/backlash-herders/
As previously discussed, the non-Jews have become far too numerous to keep up with. Which in itself is the clearest sign we have of how big the backlash has become. We need your help to stop it. If you want to help us, please send in a contact form:
http://aryanism.net/about/contact/
Because the Backlash Herders page was made by transplanting the BS Jews over into the old ZC List, this means that the comments section of the page is that of the old ZC List. However, I noted that there were some valuable discussions in the comments section of the old (now removed) BS List, so I have decided to repost select edited comment excerpts in this post. Hopefully newcomers and regulars alike can benefit from revisiting these old discussions and perhaps even further elaborating on the arguments involved; I have put in bold my personal favourite parts. Please also take this opportunity to discuss anti-backlash argumentation tactics in general. If you have encountered enemy arguments that you have trouble dealing with, please feel welcome to post them below in case someone else might be able to suggest good counterarguments to them.
AS vs “Red Pill” junkie:
“You claim that tribalism, which is natural, is exactly what the Jews want us to practice. Well, why do they preach communism across the globe?”
Because communism is the tribalism of proles. By the way, they have not preached communism for several decades. The more recent involvement of Jews is with far-right politics.
“Why do they condemn all forms of Tribalism other than their own?”
They do not. They promote it. One way by which they promote it is to make it non-PC, so that useful idiots like yourself then think you are rebelling when you are actually following the Zionist script.
But it is universalist ideologies which Jews have truly opposed throughout history, because only universalist ideologies expose the inferiority of Judaism (a tribalist religion) and hence of Jews themselves in comparison. Gentile tribalist ideologies, on the other hand, normalize Judaism and hence remove the motivation to destroy it.
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“Whites pose the greatest threat to World Jewry.”
LOL! In an alternate world history where “whites” never existed, would Jews be more powerful or less powerful than they are today?
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“It seems that YOU are helping the Zionist cause by preaching anti-tribalism”
Remember to tell that to Jesus also. Only universalists are able to despise tribalists with the intensity required to not rest until they have been wiped out. That is what we need to destroy Zionism, not more tribes in addition to Jews (which just spreads the disease)!
“The second I read that you are anti-tribalism (not allowing human beings to group naturally with others like them)”
I am currently grouping with people like myself (other universalists); the hint is in our motto: UNITY THROUGH NOBILITY. That is folkism, not tribalism. Do you see the difference? Two tribalists from different tribes may share a belief in tribalism, but this shared belief does not unite them, instead it sets them against each other. Two universalists, in contrast, are united by their shared belief in universalism.
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“You say race doesn’t matter”
We say race matters. “Whiteness” is what doesn’t matter.
“and that as long as “Aryans” carry “the torch” it doesn’t matter what “team” they are from?”
And that is what we mean by race.
“Well then why do you exclude Jews?”
Because they are tribalists.
“Is it because of their racial makeup or soul?”
Both. Any group which lives among another larger group for multiple generations (as Jews have done for several thousand years) and still exists as a distinct identity has surely selected for genetic tendencies towards tribalism within its own members (since any non-tribalists among them would have integrated, so each new unintegrated generation will be more tribalistic than the generation before). Therefore even an individual Jew today who claims to be universalist should not be trusted, unless he voluntarily refuses to reproduce (as Jesus did).
“Then I could argue Blacks and other races who have lower IQs and more of a genetic propensity for violence etc., couldn’t be Aryans either.”
If “blacks” had a consistent historical record of refusing integration, then we would treat them no differently than Jews. (Indeed this is why National Socialism is hostile to Gypsies.) But that’s not the case for “blacks” at all. Wherever welcomed, “blacks” have always enthusiastically integrated. WNs implicitly admit this every time they complain about “black” men having sex with “white” women! (Portugal, for example, once had a “black” community which has since been fully absorbed into the population.) Wherever “blacks” remain unintegrated, it is invariably because others took measures to keep them segregated. In the US, for example, it was “white”, not “black”, Americans who passed Jim Crow laws. Indeed the very fact that “blackness” is defined as possessing any quantity of “black” ancestry shows clearly that the concept of “blackness” is fundamentally integrationist. The same cannot be said for “whiteness”, which is defined not by possession of “white” ancestry but by non-possession of “non-white” ancestry (a.k.a. the One Drop Rule).
If IQ were the qualification for being Aryan, Jews would be the most Aryan of all.
As for genetic propensity for violence, you have to be fucking kidding me. In world history, the “black” civilizations have been BY FAR the least aggressive. Alexander was not “black”. Genghis Khan was not “black”. Not a single one of the colonial empires were “black”. “Blacks” did not introduce WMDs to the world, nor banking with all its economic consequences, nor industrialization with all its environmental consequences, nor democracy with all its sociopolitical consequences, and the list could go on for hours if I wanted (dont even get me started about the indescribable quantity of violence involving trillions of victims in meat/egg/dairy factories, again not introduced by “blacks”). “Blacks” certainly did not help to create Israel! In fact, NONE of the enormous problems in the world that we have to deal with today were created by “blacks”, NOT ONE. This is why I get angry whenever people trash “blacks”, one of the ethnicities LEAST responsible for the mess we’re currently in. I don’t care about ethnicity myself, but when others start talking about ethnicity first, I will always remind them which ethnicity is MOST responsible for the mess we’re currently in. (Hint: not “blacks”.)
“which race produced the most Aryans and the most advanced civilizations? It was the Caucasian race; mostly “White people” I would say.”
If that were the case, we should at least expect that Aryan movements in Europe would have been less persecuted than Aryan movements in other parts of the world. This is not the case. Look what happened to the Pythagoreans, the Cathars/Bogomils, and National Socialist Germany. You simply don’t know what you are talking about (despite supposedly spending hours reading the site).
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“Jews use homosexuality to destroy morality and the family unit of Goy nations, which is my main reason I stand against it from being accepted and taught to our children as “normal”.”
Jews were the ones who introduced homophobia thousands of years ago! Read the Tanakh! Before Judaism, nobody cared! That’s what we need to get back to. The fact that you are homophobic shows you have bought into the Judaic worldview, and are thus unqualified to be a serious anti-Zionist. Serious anti-Zionism entails rejecting everything Judaic, including homophobia.
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“denying nature”
If there is one thing we DO NOT do, it’s deny nature. If we denied nature, we would be talking about using education to improve everyone. We don’t. We talk about breeding first and education second.
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“One can race-mix if they choose to, but others can refuse to do it and protect their children from doing so.”
In other words the children don’t get to choose. You’re not fooling anyone with your wordplay.
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“I ask what is wrong with a White Nationalist who simply wants a future for White children in their own ethno state; wishing no harm on anyone else?”
I ask what is wrong with Israel.
“For you to deny these types of Whites, or any people, who are compassionate towards others and only want to be safe in their own homelands would make you a supremacist, by claiming they have no right to their own form of sovereignty and that they must live according to your anti-tribal standards.”
Jews tell me the same thing when I criticize Israel. I don’t take them seriously either.
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“Hell, you even have a list of religions you want to destroy – how are you compassionate Aryans again?”
Compassion is not tolerance. Only those who lack compassion will tolerate cruelty.
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“Jews want the whole world to be multicultural cesspool except for Israhell. You seem to want the same thing.”
No, we want to destroy Israel.
We are also against multiculturalism. We want to create a new culture. We merely allow individuals of all ethnic backgrounds to participate in this project.
Besides, who says Jews want the whole world multicultural??? I think they want non-Jewish ethnostates to form so that Israel won’t be the only ethnostate in the world and therefore will become harder to criticize. That’s why they are using multiculturalism to engineer a backlash against multiethnic society. We want to show that multiethnic society can work so long as it is not multicultural.
“But do you realize that multiculturalism is the PRECURSOR to all conflict?”
Make sure you tell that to the Incans. There they were with an entire ocean separating them from Spain, so no multiculturalism there! But then all of a sudden your favourite ethnicity came along and massacred them. TRIBALISM is the precursor to conflict.
“How can you have “racism” in a nation that has ONE race?”
Ask the people who massacred the Incans. As long as Spain was multiethnic (Andalus), the Incans were safe. The moment Spain became monoethnic again, the Incans were in trouble.
While you’re at it, ask any of the other colonial empires. Each one started as a monoethnic nation. Precisely because of this, each developed a tribal identity around their ethnicity, and colonialism was the result. You’re not even aware of this, and you call yourself a realist?
“How can you have religious conflict in a nation that is ONE religion?”
Again, ask the people who massacred the Incans.
“Wouldn’t it make more sense to solve both issues by allowing people to live among their own?”
And the next thing you know, they are massacring the Incans. That’s why Spain should have stayed Andalus.
“THAT is a permanent solution to these issues; tribalism/nationalism SOLVES them permanently.”
Tell that to the Incans.
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“2.) Multiculturalism doesn’t work, and never will work, and is the precursor to all conflict. 3.) You cannot alter the immutable laws of nature because of your feelings; conflict is part of the natural order and is here to stay.”
Which is it? If conflict is part of the natural order, then it would not be ended by removing multiculturalism. But of course you don’t notice your self-contradiction because you didn’t think of any of these ideas yourself, you just read them at far-right blogs.
“each race/people/religion, should have their own homeland with borders and their own way of life.”
That was what we had hundreds of years ago. Ask the Incans what happened next.
“But it seems, after reading your site, you would not allow Tribalists to exist in their own lands because you claim that they would eventually be a threat”
Ask the Incans if you don’t believe me. Or the Palestinians.
“yet you fail to see that your multiethnic/racial/religious states are states that will produce conflict anyway, and ARE A THREAT THEMSELVES.”
A threat to Jews, and to people like yourself (Gentiles). That’s the point. What kind of anti-Zionists would we be if we do not intend to be a threat to Zionism? Again, do you bother to think before writing?
“Why do you preach against those tribalists/nationalists, who wish to form an ethnostate away from your kind?”
What do you want me to do, say Israel has a ‘right’ to exist?
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“Jews, with their tribalism, have survived for thousands of years while other nations collapsed BECAUSE of race-mixing and multiculturalism.”
Jews have wreaked havoc around the world for thousands of years because of their tribalism, and now we have a chance to finish them off. You want to ruin this chance.
“you are actually supremacists that will not allow others to live how they wish”
Jews tell me the same thing when I criticize Israel. I don’t take them seriously either.
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“You say are against oppression, yet you have no qualms destroying those who you disagree with.”
I am against oppression, therefore I certainly have no qualms destroying oppressors.
“You say Aryans are people who have freedom and refuse slavery, so then you are destroyers if you wish to destroy all people who want their own type of freedom; like living in their own lands secluded from others…”
Jews tell me the same thing when I criticize Israel. I don’t take them seriously either.
“Would you wish to destroy the Amish for doing just that?”
I would destroy the Amish just for their tradition of torturing children (following the methods prescribed in the Tanakh) alone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_way_of_life#Child_discipline
“Also, I am not homophobic because I’m not afraid of gays or whatever, but I don’t think their lifestyle is healthy nor would I hope my children are gay so my lineage dies off.”
In other words, you view your children as Goys for the function of continuing your lineage. That is a selfish and exploitative attitude, which I have come to expect from people like yourself.
“Every species/organism on earth wants to ensure its bloodline continues and genes are passed on”
I point you to the giant pandas that are currently being raped by machines as we speak because they themselves have no interest in continuing their bloodlines but humans are forcing them to reproduce so that humans can derive pleasure from watching them in zoos.
“No parents are hoping their children are gay.”
It’s none of the parents’ business in the first place.
“I have a handful of gay friends and we get along because they aren’t running around forcing homosexual propaganda down my throat. Those who did, actually stopped being my friend because they could not accept that I didn’t agree with their lifestyle.”
I am willing to bet that they did not attempt to argue that “heterosexuality” is wrong. You, however, are arguing that “homosexuality” is wrong. Who is forcing stuff down whose throat?
“Do you believe a Christian bakery should be forced to bake a cake for a gay couple if it violates their beliefs?”
I believe it is deceptive for such a bakery to call itself “Christian”, since Jesus was not homophobic. They should not be forced to bake a cake for anyone, but if they refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple because the couple is gay, they should be required to describe their bakery as “Judaic” in all correspondence henceforth, and to put a Star of David on their door.
“you do realize that the Jews use the LGBT community to cause drama, so we agree with that point.”
The point is that it would be mechanically impossible for Jews to use the LGBT community to cause drama if homophobia were rejected. Therefore it is people like yourself who make it possible for Jewish tactics to so easily succeed.
“none of us have a problem with Japan.”
Japan is not an ethnostate. It does not legally restrict interethnic marriage. On the contrary, anyone who has one Japanese parent is automatically Japanese, irrespective of the ethnic background of the other parent (try to persuade your WN friends to adopt this policy and see how far you get), and even people with no Japanese ancestry can, and have, become Japanese. On the other hand, people with even 100% Japanese ancestry who have lived abroad are not necessarily welcome to return to Japan (notable example being Brazilians of Japanese descent), further demonstrating that ethnicity is not the priority.
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“To give you some background I have only been aware of the “jewish problem” for about 2 years now”
Then I guess you weren’t around back in 2007-2009 when the first-generation post-9/11 anti-Zionist activists had established a solid non-racist anti-Zionist movement (culminating in the OWNP), and then crypto-Jews inundated us with WNs who contaminated our work by stealing our research but inverting our message from the need to end tribalism (Jews being tribalists and therefore the enemy of the world) to the need for “white” tribalism to RIVAL Jewish tribalism. I was around back then, which is why I know first-hand that WN is absolute poison to serious anti-Zionism. You are looking at the scene after Zionist agents have already come in and gone back out, having altered its essence.
This was our song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foTWkiIwg10
We might have won by now if not for WN.
“I stated I have compassion for all people and are willing to help them all, but I can’t do that if my people are destroyed now can I?”
On the contrary, it is realistically likely to come down to nuclear war if we are to destroy Israel (look up the Samson Option). Only those who are willing to risk destroying ‘their own’ people in order to simultaneously destroy Israel have any hope of destroying Israel.
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“I do want to protect my people from genocide.”
Jews tell me the same thing. I don’t take them seriously either.
“I don’t’ agree with flooding Whiten nations with Islam and non-Whites etc. I don’t’ agree with affirmative action and racial quotas…Do you?”
I believe everyone should be allowed to live where they want, since none of us choose where we were born. I oppose the Mexica Movement that wants “white” Americans to be expelled from America, just as I oppose Golden Dawn that wants “non-white” Europeans to be expelled from Europe.
I am against quotas.
I am also against BobWhitakerisms such as “flooding” to describe entirely voluntary migration by individuals and “genocide” to describe entirely voluntary interethnic marriage by individuals. (I bet it was Bob Whitaker who taught you to throw Japan at me also.) You call me condescending, but I assure you there is nothing more condescending than using BobWhitakerisms in a serious discussion.
“And yes, the West colonized and do bad things, sure…But I was not there for that nor would I condone such things today.”
Which is why, if you are a “white” American, I would fight for you to be allowed to continue living in America if you wish to do so. I only despise you because you would not in return fight for “non-white” Europeans to continue living in Europe if they wish to do so.
“I do not agree with genocide; especially “white genocide” which is of my own people…”
I do not agree with using BobWhitakerisms in a serious discussion.
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“Blacks are responsible for 92% of the interracial crime on whites. They rape white women at the rate of 30k per year with under 10 white men raping black women per year….the knock out game etc…”
Arrest and execute the criminals. What else do you expect me to say? Let innocent people take the blame? By the way, I don’t take FBI information at face value, since according to the FBI, al-Qaeda did 9/11.
“Are you telling me you will feel less safe in a White or Asian town than a Black town?”
Nobody is safe in a world with weapons that allow combat with no risk to the attacker, such as nukes, chemical/biological weapons, drones, sniper satellites and other remote-controlled devices, or even conventional explosives delivered by bomber aircraft or ballistic missiles (don’t get me started about chemtrails). Nobody is safe in a world filled with radioactive waste and smog and fluoridated water and toxic soil/building materials and oil spills that can’t be cleaned up and nuclear meltdowns that can’t be cleaned up. Nobody is safe in a world where people are shot up with vaccines since childhood. In fact, nobody is safe in a world where food is not grown locally. I suppose you want to tell me that all this is the fault of “blacks”.
Feeling safe has little to do with being safe. The Incans were probably feeling safe until your favourite ethnicity arrived and massacred them.
“Lets not forget the Irish slaves.”
I get along with many Irish nationalists because they refuse to self-identify as “white”, but instead stand in solidarity with fellow victims of the British Empire. I also like their welcoming attitude towards immigrants to Ireland, which they base on the reasoning that they should treat immigrants to Ireland as they would wish other countries treat Irish immigrants. This is the kind of attitude we desperately need more of these days. This is real nationalism.
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“Blacks and Mexicans commit MOST of the crime in the US and they are a minority.”
According to feminists, men commit most of the crime, therefore let’s blame men as a whole! This is what you sound like to me. And I still don’t take FBI information at face value.
“But how many White towns do you know that are full of crime to the point people aren’t safe to walk the streets?”
Castile was so dangerous that even people on the other side of the ocean were not safe to walk the streets. Ask the Incans about it.
“So why is it wrong for someone who wants to live in an all-White town/state/country where they know crime would be less; the streets safer/ the women safer/ the children safer???”
Jews ask me the same thing with reference to Israel. I don’t take them seriously either.
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“Children of multiracial parents look nothing like them”
If JJ weren’t so busy he’d eat you alive on this point.
“The fact you promote Hitler all over this site you should realize he was against race-mixing and would only encourage to breed the best with the best”
That’s what we encourage. For example, I would not allow you to reproduce with any of our team members.
“had the Spanish not been among the Inca, they would have not been able to destroy them…which is my point.”
But in reality they did go there, which is my point. If ethnoseparatism worked, the monoethnic Spanish would have stayed in Spain. They didn’t. So you are wrong.
(By the way, the Incans themselves were not monoethnic, they were a multiethnic society including more than 200 formerly separate groups. So we have one multiethnic society (Andalus) and another multiethnic society (Inca Empire) living in peace on two sides of the ocean. Suddenly, one society becomes monoethnic (Spain) and then the next thing you know the other is wiped out despite the ocean separating them. Yet, according to you, multiethnic society is the problem?)
“If Israel minded her own business, I wouldn’t care if she wanted to exist; not being a parasite or destroying other nations. In fact, if every Jew went to Israel and cut themselves off from the rest of the planet, the Jewish question would be solved.”
That’s what they want you to think. The next thing you know, Jews will have built such a large technological edge over everyone else that they can conquer the world by pressing a button. That’s what they are working on in Israel right now. Every day we let Israel continue to exist, they move closer to this endgame.
“You do believe in sovereignty I hope.”
I believe in sovereignty in the original autocratic sense ie. the monarch is sovereign. I am nostalgic for the ancient world when simply knowing that an immigrant population has been welcomed as new citizens by the monarch is the only reason the rest of the citizenry needed to welcome them also. Whereas these days it’s all “We want a referendum!” and other democratic garbage.
Trivia:
Interesting trivia:
“Cow’s flesh, however, none of these [Libyan] tribes ever taste, but abstain from it for the same reason as the Egyptians, neither do they any of them breed swine. Even at Cyrene, the women think it wrong to eat the flesh of the cow, honoring in this Isis, the Egyptian goddess, whom they worship both with fasts and festivals. The Barcaean women abstain, not from cow’s flesh only, but also from the flesh of swine.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_mythology#Egyptian_deities
Humour from AW:
I like that we’ve managed to mention both types of Isis in this conversation.
Christianity from Hashtali:
the word “enemy” is a mistranslation of the original Greek “echthros” (plural: “echthroi”). “Ecthros” is actually somebody who hates you … Thus Jesus was saying love those who hate you, try to mend discord, try to help them. But he was not saying love those whom you hate
JJ vs another “Red Pill” junkie:
“Funny thing is you’re marching in lockstep with George Soros, Peter Sutherland and company who fully back the mass transposition of refugees and migrants to Europe.”
Zionists like Soros, etc. have caused conflict in the Middle East and support having the refugees come to Europe because they know that reactionaries like yourself will promote identitarianism to FURTHER DIVIDE non-Jews.
We on the other hand realize what the Zionists are trying to do and are attempting to PREVENT non-Jews from being further divided along ethnic lines. That’s what UNITY THROUGH NOBILITY means. Anyone who can’t see that inter-ethnic conflict between non-Jews only benefits Jews is not qualified to call themselves an anti-Zionist. (And anyone who immediately reacts to a crisis by turning to selfish identitarianism instead of selflessly extending a helping hand to fellow victims of Zionist violence is not qualified to say they have empathy either…)
You claim Jews are trying to elicit ‘extreme’ empathy in Europeans. Instead there has been a massive surge in the far right and widespread acceptance of racist attitudes. Do you really think Jews are dumb enough to “accidentally” mess up on such a grand scale? You are falling for their reverse-bluff.
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“Western culture is not some monolithic thing. There are many variants to “Western” culture, all of which should be preserved in its unique forms.”
Should we preserve Jewish culture and the Jewish race simply because they exist (not to mention _their_ contributions to “Western” culture and all it’s derivatives)??? If not, why should Western cultures be preserved simply for existing?
We are idealists, we wish to remove ignoble elements from all cultures–fundamentally changing them. We do not wish to “preserve” anything.
@everyone
Should we be offering forgiveness to an individual who has paid Israeli taxes under the right circumstances? Someone I know said ‘no’, but I’m leaning towards ‘yes’ because citizens of the United States of America subsidize Israel through federal taxes that they pay.
He also told me that there’s no forgiveness for anyone who incompetently or maliciously joins the IDF in accordance to Israeli law, and I’m inclined to agree with him on that.
You people don’t understand anything about Aryanism or Artamanism at all, you don’t simply become an Aryan by believing in National Socialism and Aryanism LMAO. To be Aryan you have to be racially Aryan or racially Nordic, research the SS Race and Resettlement Office ffs. Why do you think the title of Honorary Aryan was given to people like Japanese as honorary? Because they weren’t racially Aryan ffs.
@Master Race:
Let me guess, National Socialism is a right-wing ideology too?
“Why do you think the title of Honorary Aryan was given to people like Japanese as honorary? Because they weren’t racially Aryan ffs.“
1. Then why were so many Japanese people allowed to marry Germans when compared to the virtually nonexistent marriages between Jews and non-Jewish Germans in Hitler’s Germany?
2. Even if the Japanese aren’t Aryan, then, by Hitler’s own word, Japanese and Chinese individuals are superior to those aryan Germans:
“Pride in one’s own race – and that does not imply contempt for other races – is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them.”
3. Why were Hitler and Goebbells so willing to accept Native Americans as fellow Aryans?
You do realise that Hitler admired Arthur de Gobineau right? An Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races was a big influence on the Fuhrer’s negative view of race-mixing? And the fact that ADG thought that the white race was superior shows that Hitler cared about protecting the native European folk. Houston Stewart Chamberlain, another big influence on Hitler and racial policy of the NSDAP. In his books, Chamberlain advanced various racialist and especially völkisch anti- Jew theories on how he saw the Aryan race as superior to others, and the Teutonic peoples as a positive force in European civilization and the Jews as a negative one. It was his best-selling book. So Adolf wasn’t a Pan-Germanic nationalist?
@White Raven
Positive nods towards de Gobineau and Chamberlain came only during the earliest stage of NS propaganda (i.e. when they had to win over voters, and it was more expedient to sympathize with Nordicist ideas which were already popular amongst potential voters, than to introduce a radically new racial theory).
By the last stages of NS racial theory, Nordicism was completely rejected. I see you and “Master Race” obviously did not bother to read my previous comment (literally comment #42 in this thread…):
http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/summer-cleaning/comment-page-1/#comment-176191
@WR
“You do realise that Hitler admired Arthur de Gobineau right? An Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races was a big influence on the Fuhrer’s negative view of race-mixing? And the fact that ADG thought that the white race was superior shows that Hitler cared about protecting the native European folk. “
1. “We – the real Aryans – hereby declare that we are taking back this ancient name that justly belongs to us and none other than us, irrespective of what the illiterates think. Hitler is in no way responsible for introducing the Eurocentric prejudices attached to the term “Aryan”; it is Arthur de Gobineau (Gentile) who deserves the blame for this. It comes as no surprise that Gobineau was also outspokenly pro-Jewish, in his own words: “What were the Jews? A people dextrous in all they undertook, a free, powerful, intelligent people, who, before losing bravely, and against a much superior foe, the title of independent nation, had furnished to the world almost as many doctors as merchants. … The Jews in all countries for 2000 years are still Jews.” While Hitler was probably acquainted with Gobineau’s writings, he certainly did not agree with Gobineau. (That Hitler never associated PIE-derived-language-speakers with Aryans in the first place is obvious from his views toward Russians (despite Russian being a PIE-derivative language no less surely than German). The weak retort that Hitler’s low opinion of Russians was due to his (supposedly) even more extreme Eurocentrism (with Russia being considered of “Asiatic” blood) is readily debunked by noting Hitler’s high opinion of even more ”Asiatic” (and altogether non-PIE-derivative-language-speaking) populations such as Chinese and Japanese “-main site
Hitler’s favorite philosopher, Schopenhauer, hated ethnocentric discrimination.
2. “Much of Hitler’s genuine affection for Chamberlain was due to the fact that Chamberlain never lost his faith in Hitler’s potential, even at time in the mid-1920s when the NSDAP was faring very poorly.”-Wikipedia
So, Hitler’s relationship with Chamberlain was actually a lot like his relationship with Himmler. I can also go on about how “Foundations” contradicts many of Hitler’s beliefs, but I’ll do that for another time.
3. “So Adolf [Hitler] wasn’t a Pan-Germanic nationalist?”
He was not a “Pan-Germanic nationalist” in the strictest terms.
He was an admirer of both Schopenhauer and, to a lesser extent, Nietzsche, who both hated pan-Germanism; compromised with Mussolini over Italy’s German population; only advocated pan-germanism as propaganda against Poland, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia for its pro-French policy while trying to reach a peaceful compromise with Poland over its German population; and did not show a big concern for Switzerland and, to a larger extent, the Baltic States’ German population when compared to Poland’s.
I’m sorry but I struggle to understand and see how this is a truly National Socialist website.
First off, you ridiculously claim that Adolf Hitler supported interracial mixing between Caucasians and Negroes? In what publication or speech did he say that? You do realise that Germany during his rule was a homogenous nation where ethnic Germans accounted for over 90% of the country? Even traditional National Socialist allies like Muslims like Mohammed Ali even said on television that he agreed with Hitler on opposing race mixing? Why does this site support it? This is the first National Socialist site or channel whatever which has claimed this. All National Socialist political organisations since Hitler have claimed opposition to interracial relationships and have advocated mass repatriation of non-native Europeans.
And one of you keeps on claiming about Hitler encouraging Lamquet to marry an African princess. Provide photographic evidence haha.
Personally tell me why you people think Hitler would allow a Sub-Saharan African to have a relationship with a German? And why do you think all these NS movements have claimed staunch opposition to a supposed mulattoisation?
Also, do you people even read key texts from Alfred Rosenberg? Read The Myth of the 20th century, he even spoke against a mulattoisation of the world. He even said that white Americans will have to decide if they want blacks to rule in society. Even said that non-white populations would mean a tarnishing of the Nordic race which he loved.
Also some of your Aryanism diffusion theories are nothing what the Third Reich National Socialists proposed. No National Socialist proposed to have Aryanist lebensraum in Mesopotamia.
By the way, White Raven, Striker Force, The Master Race and Nordic are all the same person. He is using multiple usernames to avoid debating, and instead re-post the same already-answered queries over and over again. Hitler warned us about such dishonourable tactics:
“If your adversary felt forced to give in to your argument, on account of the observers present, and if you then thought that at last you had gained ground, a surprise was in store for you on the following day. The Jew would be utterly oblivious to what had happened the day before, and he would start once again by repeating his former absurdities, as if nothing had happened.” – Adolf Hitler
With this said, feel free to continue using him for practice.
@Nordic
“I struggle to understand and see how this is a truly National Socialist website.”
Of course you do. You are a useful idiot.
@Nordic
“First off, you ridiculously claim that Adolf Hitler supported interracial mixing between Caucasians and Negroes?”
He really didn’t tho. Those are ethnic identities (which have constituted ‘races’ more so than actual quality throughout history) that Hitler obviously spoke out against from time to time.
He was, however, definitely against individuals discriminating against members of Aryan race (a race defined by the qualities of honor and, more importantly, nobility), regardless of any irrelevant elements that constitute then, such as color, though; and it is why he sacked Frick from power.
“In what publication or speech did he say that?”
Learn a decent amount of German and then actually look up his final public speech; all of his actions during his time as Fuhrer; and general writings and private conversations.
“You do realise that Germany during his rule was a homogenous nation where ethnic Germans accounted for over 90% of the country?”
Yes, I do. Obama was also president of the United States of America when the majority of Americans were “white”.
“Even traditional National Socialist allies like Muslims like Mohammed Ali even said on television that he agreed with Hitler on opposing race mixing? Why does this site support it?”
I didn’t know I was supposed to look up to Mohammed Ali in his misguided testimonies on Adolf Hitler.
“This is the first National Socialist site or channel whatever which has claimed this. All National Socialist political organisations since Hitler have claimed opposition to interracial relationships and have advocated mass repatriation of non-native Europeans.”
Even if what you’re saying is true, this site has actually gathered information necessary to show indovuals who Hitler really was.
“Also, do you people even read key texts from Alfred Rosenberg? Read The Myth of the 20th century, he even spoke against a mulattoisation of the world. He even said that white Americans will have to decide if they want blacks to rule in society. Even said that non-white populations would mean a tarnishing of the Nordic race which he loved.”
That book was written by an individual who was trying to help the NSDAP win elections. He would later contradict the racist elements in his book to the point where his use of the word ‘Nordic’ was rather superficial. Also, Rosenberg essentially admitted to the holocaust. Do you take his word on that, too?
“Also some of your Aryanism diffusion theories are nothing what the Third Reich National Socialists proposed. No National Socialist proposed to have Aryanist lebensraum in Mesopotamia.”
Hitler’s use of ‘living space’ was a self-defense mechanism against the enemy. Aryans in that area used that idea for the same reason, too. Try re-reading the post.
Bonus question:
Rauschning once wrote that Hitler, a close friend of the “homosexual” Rohm at one point, got in trouble with pederasty while he was in the military. Do you take Rauschning’s word at face-value?
@everyone
I noticed from SJ’s comments that he brought up something Hitler said in TT, which was: “We had much the same thing in our own colonies; a German had the right to marry a negress, provided she was a Catholic, but not a German girl, if she happened to be a Protestant. Even today, the Catholic priest chatters for months if one of his flock wishes to marry a Protestant. It is not very long ago that, in the country, a marriage between Catholic and Protestant was stigmatised as an insult to the Holy Altar; but nobody bothered their heads about the colour of bastards!”
From what I can tell, it isn’t so much a testament against “black” people, but rather how screwed up Germany’s religions and its culture (which had a population that was heavily involved with ethnic labeling, unfortunately) in general can get.
“From what I can tell, it isn’t so much a testament against “black” people, but rather how screwed up Germany’s religions and its culture”
Considering the 30 Years’ War killed up to 2/3s of the population in some regions in Germany, I think your interpretation is the correct one…
@everyone
What does everyone think about these allegations being made against Harvey Weinstein? I do find it peculiar that these allegations were made very public approximately one year after Trump’s Hollywood Access rape was publicly released.
@everyone
Is it safe to say that all these recent scandals related to Hollywood figures, such as Harvey Weinstein, are rather suspicious?
“Is it safe to say that all these recent scandals related to Hollywood figures, such as Harvey Weinstein, are rather suspicious?”
In what way do you see the scandals as being suspicious? You think they are misdirection? (The subhuman in question – Harvey Weinstein – is by the way, probably by no coincidence, Jewish.)
@Hypnotix
“In what way do you see the scandals as being suspicious? You think they are misdirection? (The subhuman in question – Harvey Weinstein – is by the way, probably by no coincidence, Jewish.)”
I think it’s suspicious because it’s putting a lot of media attention on Hollywood more so than Trump. Keep in mind, this stuff with Weinstein that’s coming out started approximately one year after that Hollywood Access, Trump tape was released to the public.
Also, I’m sorry, allegations of “sexual abuse” are often way too broad. A 17 year old boy can be accused of sexual abuse for having sex with a 15 year old girl, even if that girl enthusiastically and soberly says ‘yes’ under no duress.
@Hypnotix
I’m also quite aware that Hermann Rauschning accuses Adolf Hitler of pederasty in a negative fashion; and Rauschning is an individual that I think this site quotes in terms of what he may have heard Hitler said.
I suspect Jews are becoming increasingly aware that there is a real and true anti-Jewish sentiment spreading around the globe, not the fake neo-Nazi “anti-semitism” they helped create and manage. A true anti-Jewishness that focuses on the racism of Jewish identity. Once that sticks, all they have left is universal war….
“We’re gonna have to get as organized as the mafia…” — Harvey Weinstein (Jew therefore racist)
Translation into English from Jew speak: “It’s time for the Jewish mafia\tribe to murder all true anti-Jews, like we did in Russia.”
That’s my take on it anyway.
@DB
“I suspect Jews are becoming increasingly aware that there is a real and true anti-Jewish sentiment spreading around the globe, not the fake neo-Nazi “anti-semitism” they helped create and manage. A true anti-Jewishness that focuses on the racism of Jewish identity. Once that sticks, all they have left is universal war….”
Even if Jews are becoming increasingly aware, they’ll find a way to counter just retaliations against them, even if it means selling their own out like Joseph’s brothers did to Joseph.
I also suggest we approach the Weinstein situation carefully, much like with Anthony Weiner and everything else Jew-related.
@GG:
“Even if Jews are becoming increasingly aware, they’ll find a way to counter just retaliations against them…”
Indeed. Biological weapons come to mind….
@GG
“Is it safe to say that all these recent scandals related to Hollywood figures, such as Harvey Weinstein, are rather suspicious?”
Isn’t it obvious? The Alt-Right has always spoken negatively about how Hollywood treats women (as part of their anti-feminist narrative about how women are better off not having independence), so these scandals are just another backlash herding device to help the Alt-Right rise.
It’s the same reverse-bluff technique as used to promote Islamophobia. What the media do there: 1) keep saying in words that Muslims are not dangerous; 2) keep doing false flag terror incidents that scapegoat Muslims. The useful idiots will go with 2) (they themselves call this “being Red-Pilled”). Thereafter, the more 1) occurs, the more the Red-Pilled useful idiots will believe the opposite.
What the media are doing here: 1) keep saying in words that women should pursue their dream careers; 2) keep selectively highlighting sexual harassment allegations by women who have succeeded in their dream careers (in this case in the film industry). How do you think the Red-Pilled useful idiots will interpret it? That’s why they are called useful idiots!
The hard part is countering the backlash herding. In a sane society, simply exposing the reverse-bluff technique (as we have been doing for years) would have been enough, but sadly we do not live in sane times.
@AS
Thanks for the additional information!
@everyone
I will be taking a break from being rather active on this site. I have other stuff to be focused on, such as health, helping a friend through a tough time, and getting my website up and running.
Thank you all for the great discussions these past few months!
Well since GG mentioned it, my business is launching at the end of this week, and I’ll be getting back to my art and music for health reasons as well. I also will be taking an extended break from posting on the web. Likewise, thanks for the interesting conversations, I learned a lot in my time here.
I thought I’d share this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/evb4zw/why-so-many-white-supremacists-are-into-veganism
Aryanism.net is mentioned in it
@GG
Wow, that article is pretty funny. They seem to think Aryanism.net is a white nationalist site, mostly because they equate Aryan = white…
“These ideas persist in white nationalist circles today. Take Aryanism.net, for example…”
LOL, this is pretty hilarious…
“Rejecting mainstream associations between veganism and “pacifistic hippy caricatures,” they propose that the true vegan archetype is the noble Aryan warrior. This, in turn, becomes a justification for “retaliatory violence.” Only those who have renounced the “initiatory” violence of meat-eating can be trusted to retaliate appropriately against a world that they perceive as degraded. Aryans who initiate violence by eating animal products are no better than their non-Aryan counterparts, and are unfit to make the world a “better place.” Lastly, Aryanism.net ARGUES THAT WHITE PEOPLE HAVE A GENETIC PREDISPOSITION FOR VEGANISM by reimagining a prehistoric past where Aryans were farmers who ate grains and vegetables, as opposed to the herding and meat-eating Jewish peoples.”
LOL Somehow they think Aryan = White, and then they completely miss that the Jews are the herders, but it is the Gentiles who are the “meat-eating … peoples.”
About the author:
“Alexis de Coning is a media studies doctoral student at the University of Colorado Boulder, where she investigates reactionary social movements and food politics.”
She doesn’t seem to be doing a very good job at it, given how miserably she failed to read into even the most basic positions of Aryanism before making conclusions about it.
I wonder if we can contact her to set the article straight. I wonder if we should, since it is free extra traffic after all…
@Hypnotix – It is a shame they don’t seem to have a set up for commenting on the articles on that site…
@Hypnotix
“She doesn’t seem to be doing a very good job at it, given how miserably she failed to read into even the most basic positions of Aryanism before making conclusions about it.”
Or one could wonder that even if there is explicitly stated numerous times that this site is not white supremactist site, why do people still equate it with that? Maybe cosplaying as “true national socialists” is not very good tactic, especially in these times…
In other news, the suspicious nature of these Hollywood scandals concerning sexual misconduct continues with Kevin Spacey’s biological father being declared a Nazi by Spacey’s biological brother…
What say you all of the allegations that Jesus never existed and is solely a representation of the Sun, akin to Dionysus, Krishna, Horus, Attis of Phrygia, Thammuz, etc.?
@CB
In my opinion, it’s best to see Jesus as real, even if his life and morals are rather pagan-esque. What makes sense to defeat the enemy: stating the Jesus is real or is not real?
I suppose. But take heed; the Zionists are good at spinning stories, as you know. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was an expose detailing how he never existed.
Also, there needs to be a definitive list of the loyal and disloyal members of the NSDAP. It seems there is quite the debate on #dotard.
@everyone
Has anyone noticed that the USA’s DOJ has basically declared that all forms of incest is sexual assault!?
@GG Isn’t it?
@CB
Not every form of incest is sexual assault, especially between two adults.
@Hypnotix
Feel free to email her a link to our FAQ page. An internet search for her name brings up her colorado.edu page with her email.
The mention of Aryanism.net seems like the classic low-effort college “cite as many sources as possible even if they aren’t relevant in order to boost word count” tactic, so you’re probably correct that she didn’t spend more than 15 seconds glancing over our site.
If you do email her, be sure to also include a link to the page where we, you know, condemn in no uncertain terms the WN march in Charlottesville and “Alt-Right” that she attempts to link us to.
http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/heather-heyer-rip/
“Among all the articles devoted to the history, philosophy, and politics of white nationalism,”
LOL–ALL THE ARTICLES WHERE WE CONDEMN WHITE NATIONALISM. Yeah, she definitely didn’t read our site. Busted.
@GG
“Has anyone noticed that the USA’s DOJ has basically declared that all forms of incest is sexual assault!?”
Is that in reference to a recent event? If so, that’s odd considering The Donald has openly talked about how sexually attractive he finds his daughter.
@JJ
“Is that in reference to a recent event? If so, that’s odd considering The Donald has openly talked about how sexually attractive he finds his daughter.”
No; I think former AG Eric Holder is responsible for that initial declaration, but the Trump administration hasn’t done anything to change it.
@JJ
A lot of these accusations of sexual assault are getting out of hand. I’ve noticed that people wanna change the definition of rape to include all sexual contact made without enthusiastic consent, declarations that at least some of the “worst” leaders in history were not rapist, et cetra. I think an NS state needs to address these issues, too.
@everyone
Hitler opposed Judeo-Christianity, Judaism and the sort of mysticism that Himmler peddled. It was all in the name of anti-tribalism.
@AS
“Isn’t it obvious? The Alt-Right has always spoken negatively about how Hollywood treats women (as part of their anti-feminist narrative about how women are better off not having independence), so these scandals are just another backlash herding device to help the Alt-Right rise.
It’s the same reverse-bluff technique as used to promote Islamophobia. What the media do there: 1) keep saying in words that Muslims are not dangerous; 2) keep doing false flag terror incidents that scapegoat Muslims. The useful idiots will go with 2) (they themselves call this “being Red-Pilled”). Thereafter, the more 1) occurs, the more the Red-Pilled useful idiots will believe the opposite.
What the media are doing here: 1) keep saying in words that women should pursue their dream careers; 2) keep selectively highlighting sexual harassment allegations by women who have succeeded in their dream careers (in this case in the film industry). How do you think the Red-Pilled useful idiots will interpret it? That’s why they are called useful idiots!
The hard part is countering the backlash herding. In a sane society, simply exposing the reverse-bluff technique (as we have been doing for years) would have been enough, but sadly we do not live in sane times.”
Looks like your playing the same ‘whataboutism’ games here that Trump plays, the Soviet Union played, and JJ complained about recently, AS; and not once did I seen any condemnation against Harvey Weinstein (despite admitting to grabbing a woman’s breast without her consent) in that comment, but your still quick to condemn Donald Trump.
What your essentially saying can be boiled down to this:
‘Yeah, Harvey Weinstein has sexual harassment allegations against him, but what about the Alt-Right, their useful idiots, and the selective nature that those two groups of people!?’
I also see you don’t have anything to say about the allegations of sexual misconduct against Bill Clinton and how Hillary Clinton enabled sexual misconduct throughout the years when she was an attorney, First Lady, and politician.
Jews are the largest Ethnic Group in America!