http://aryanism.net/blog/oregon-coug/on-the-kultmysterium-of-the-third-reich/

There are several vocabulary issues here.

Wotanism

I discourage use of this term with positive connotation. Even in its purest form, Wotanism is a Gentile religion. Wotan’s highest value is knowledge. Knowledge is a quantitative concept; there is more knowledge and less knowledge, where more is better than less. Therefore no amount of knowledge will suffice, for there will always be more. This is empiricism. Rationalism seeks not knowledge, but truth: a qualitative concept. We do not ‘increase truth’, we REDUCE things to the truth by eliminating falsehoods. (Remember, Wotan was of the Aesir = Asura = enemy of Arya.)

Paganism

This is another term not to be used with positive connotation. The term “pagan” derives from Latin “pagus”, meaning “village”. Pagan religions, etymologically, are village religions ie. religions restricted to parochial, tribal, worldly concerns. Indeed I have demonstrated in the past that Judaism itself is a pagan religion in that Yahweh is a Jewish god and not a universal god. Therefore the term “Aryan Paganism” is oxymoronic. To answer Casel, in ancient Greece/Rome there were certainly pagan religions, but there were also non-pagan religions such as Pythagoreanism. Gnostic Christianity, if to be considered a development of pre-Christian systems, would be of the latter lineage. (Note to OC: paganism also had animal sacrifices; it is as much a Gentile as a Jewish practice.)

(At the risk of stating the obvious, what Casel calls “Graeco-Roman antiquity” was hardly a monolithic culture. Therefore to describe Gnostic Christianity as a fulfilment of “what Graeco-Roman antiquity was” is an almost meaningless statement. From our perspective, Graeco-Roman antiquity was mostly Gentile. Even the Olympian pantheon was mostly Gentile. Aryans were a small minority even then. Therefore we must be careful not to make it appear otherwise.)

Kristianity vs Christianity

I doubt that this convention is necessary. Why should we concede the name “Christianity” to the Judeo-Christians? It could set a precedent of passivity if we start giving up the terms that we believe rightly belong to us.

Lucifer Kristos

This is not a recommended way to refer to Jesus. Savitri Devi recognized Hitler as an avatar of Vishnu, but even she did not refer to him as “Vishnu Fuhrer” because it simply would not sound serious. Same thing with Jesus.

I repeat - and I will keep repeating it until the point gets through - that this is a three-way conflict. We must divide everything we survey into three strands. The post in question was completely missing the Gentile strand. To write as though anything non-Jewish is Aryan is to leave ourselves wide open to Gentile corruption, which on this occasion I regret to say OC has fallen foul of.

18 Responses to “Editorial desk: September 2010”
  1. oregoncoug says:

    AS,

    I have removed my own first comment on this response of yours to my essay “Kultmysterium.” Having had more time to reflect and having reread your post it does occur to me that my effort at vocabulary-building is very much more bookish and poetic than I would prefer. My uses of words including “paganism,” “Kristianity,” and, yes, “Lucifer Kristos,” all reflect Serrano’s writings which are wonderfully poetic and relate well to the Christian Bible, but are never intended to serve as heavy weight-lifting PROSE. You write good solid English PROSE whereas I’m always flying off into, well, VERSE. I write “prose poems.” Hence I’m essentially working on imagery and symbols, not really vocabulary… “Kultmysterium” is an effort to build up a basis of spiritual unity for Arya and Aryanism using symbolic poetic prose and it is indeed “completely missing the Gentile strand.” In other words, whatever the merits of my poetic thinking, my symbolism misses the truth that the all-too-Gentile Vatican is a very large part of the problem too, not just “Judah.” I’m so eager to oppose the Jews that I get blinded to the negatives of “paganism.” The evil that centers in the Vatican is much more Gentile than I care to see. In religion, I fear, the third strand is the all-too-pagan Vatican. All of which fits perfectly into the sly ZC propaganda tricks you’re always warning us against! I did rather fall into that trap in my essay. Thanks to your penetrating critique I have amended it accordingly.

    So it’s to be Christianity vs. Judeo-Christianity in order not to let the Gentiles off that hook so easily! I think this marks the end of any “anti-monotheism” (aka pro-Wotanism) campaign around here too because, again, that also dangerously misses the Faustian strand. And “Lucifer Kristos” is removed to the poetry section to make room for simply Lucifer or Luciferos and the much more prosaic name of Jesus Christ, a name greatly less pleasing in many Gentile quarters. Yes, even His racial identity becomes much less of a concern, lest we merely play to Faustian Gentiles, the other side of ZC.

    The good news is that this focuses my sight much more clearly in another direction: Romanity. NOT Rome! Romanity as an ideal is radically different from Rome as an ideal. I can still salvage my adored Fr. Casel, no longer as a champion of Gentiles but rather of that which is neither Greek nor Jew, namely, the Noble Ideal of Universal Romanity. To me this seems to be the true Christian Gnosis of Unity through Nobility.

  2. Rostam says:

    And may I add another word that we should try to avoid? Gentile!
    It is reminiscent of, and a word used, by that noxious creed/race we try to combat. May I suggest the word Anarya (or any other word you prefer)

  3. ‘Gentile’, is in the ‘Glossary’ of Aryanism; defined as someone who is neither Aryan or Jewish, particulary non-Jewish right-wing tribalists. Gentile is from the Latin GENS, which were like clans.

  4. Rostam says:

    Thanks for the explanation! I am new to this blog and initially I thought you use the term strictly as non-Aryan. But as I have always maintained (and I am glad that I am confirmed by your theory) there are not just Jews and non-Jews but 3 categories of men: Majority of men are Gentiles, Minority are Jews and the elite, the fewest in number, are the Noble Ones. Although I don’t claim to be in the last category, my heart belong to them.

  5. Greetings Rostam,

    You can claim your inheritence if you think it’s yours, often the seat of the mind is found to be the heart. The majority of people are Goyim, which would be the exploited followers, the masses who mainly think only with their belly, so are easily exploitable, like a herd of cattle are, their stomach is their ruler. Gentile is a Latin word, a Roman word, not a Hebrew word. And the best description in the Latin sense is; one whose identity is seen to be part of a broader clan or class - Gens. The Jews take this to mean anybody who is not a Jew. It’s just a poor translation at the end of the day, the Jewish language is a mongrel language made up of several different dialects, all confused. We take the Latin as the basis for the meaning of ‘Gentile’.

    We have a more contemporary definition of ‘Gentile’ which you now understand, but it is based etymologically on the Latin word ‘Gens’. The ‘Goyim’ are followers, the exploited. Gentiles are traditionally controllers of Goyim, like Jews are, the ‘Gentry’, ‘Genteel’, ‘Gentlemen’, the English class system and the Indian caste system are founded on Gentile principals.

  6. Rostam says:

    Now I am confused again. I don’t want to get you involved in hair splitting but I find this site to be an intelligent source of information on a topic (or topics) of utmost importance and I like to know the key vocabularies. I understand the etymological basis of Gentile but in your last paragraph you seem to distinguish between gentiles and the Goyim. But are not the same people viewed from two different angles? Jews call them Goy and Aryanists call the same group Gentile?

    Your last sentence, also, I can not agree with. The cast system in India was not founded on Gentile principle but based on a truly Traditional (in Guenonian sense) and Spiritual principle. Please correct me if I am wrong.

  7. Gentiles are not Goy. In the Glossary of Aryanism there is a definition for Jews, for Gentiles and one for Goy, so there are three seperate definitions, that is why I first referred you to the Glossary, then just assumed you had read it and agreed to the definitions.

    Aryanists distinguish between Goy, Gentile and Jew…Jews however have a poor translation of the word ‘Gentile’, they take it to mean anyone that is non-jew, this is incorrect, the proper definition are the ones I have mentioned and the more contemporary definition in the Aryanism Glossary.

    There are those that are bred as an exploitable resourse, both human and animal, they are called ‘Goy’. The ‘Gentile’ is not a Goy, and not a Jew, but rather a non-Jew who is an exploiter of Goy, the same as a Jew is an exploiter of Goy, so they share a similarity in their desire to exist via exploitation of others.

    The Indian caste system has no model to base their caste system upon other than what was shown to them by the Romans, they have missinterpreted it somewhat as have the English Class system, but it is still an evolution of the Roman GENS. which is a Gentile system, not based on solely upon hereditry, because you can simply forge what documentaion you need and grease the right Gentile and Jew hands with whatever currency they require at the time, you therefore buy your way into a higher GENS, or you may be adopted as well, or selected, or just win it through pure luck, it was mainly hereditary though.

    Aryanists don’t believe that ability is purely hereditary, and neither do the Jews or Gentiles for that matter if they were honest about it. In fact today we would be more likely to find an Aryan amongst the Goyim, because they have been ruthlessly hunted and oppressed. Also the Aryan may appear in a Goyim family beause the traits and characteristics of the Aryan can lie dormant in the genes for many generations, sleeping if you will, and then suddenly reappear in offspring, and so be nothing like their parents but be closer in genetic match to the extinct Aryan Race, the genetics just lay hidden and dormant, waiting to be triggered, by?????? And blood, well, who knows where blood comes from, that’s a mystery.

  8. People tend to instantly think of Race when we talk about exploited and exploiters, but are not small people exploited? Being small is not racial, little children are often exploited, regardless of race, simply because they are small and weak, but they are often treated as Goy and exploited. It used to be not so long ago that a child was the mere property of the Father still is in much of the world, the child worked to achieve a profit, its income belonged to the Father, if the income was not acceptable the child could be sold as property. In India a girl child can still be seen to be a mere liability, defective property almost, especially if she is not considered to be physically attractive, she is exploited and condemned, not because of her race, but because she is seen to be exploitable property of the Father.

  9. Rostam says:

    Thanks again for taking your time and clarifying things. I am sorry I had not checked the Glossary ( I am studying it now). This is getting more interesting and more nuanced. Once again I have to say that I agree with this classification. Goyim are the hapless masses and Gentiles are the power-wielding individuals who exploit the Goyim, and of course we know who the “chosen ones” are. Quite accurate. I had not encountered this before.

    I also agree that blood is a mystery. Hey, life is a mystery and blood is the source of life (at least human and animal life), but of course I am certain that you don’t mean this in a materialistic way.

    Having acknowledged the affinity of your ideas with those of my own, and having read the introductory section of this site, I have to say that I disagree in some points. One was alluded to in the above post, namely the cast system. Another, is the identification of Aryans with farmers. Maybe you mean this in an ideal way but we all know that original aryans were Nomadic people (that’s how they spread their language on a vast stretch of the globe) and nomads are herders by definitions. Rene Guenon has an interesting article regarding the animosity between Herders and Planters and suggests that the story of Abel and Cain is the Mythical (albeit Jewish) representation of this enmity. In fact the start of Kali Yuga can be traced to the start of agriculture. With agriculture the settled communities grew to become towns and cities and we know that cities are the place of corruption and degeneration. (sorry if I became too historical here but let us never lose sight of history)
    Another point of departure between us is your heavy reliance on National Socialism. As much as I used to love those heros (for they still remain as heros to me) they were nonetheless flawed heros. Their movement was a modern movement and that in itself disqualifies it as Aryan. Their reliance on Nationalism, crude biological racism, and catering to the masses can not be denied. In all these matters I am more in tuned with Julius Evola. In fact the reason I am attracted to this site (aside from well-informed and intelligent posts) was the similarity of it to Evola’s ideas.

  10. Ok, Rostam

    I can understand your position now, this being the editorial desk, Aryan Sanctuary may want to edit you as you are new to Aryanism and National Socialism, the issues you have are not uncommon but they are based on false assumptions and inaccurate knowledge, this is understandable considering our present times. I would like to address your issues in my blog as well, because of the pattern I see emerging.

  11. Firstly, before I write on this matter, I will just add, Aryans are linked to the Biblical character of Cain, NOT Abel, you see the Jews wrote the Old Testament after the New Testament was written, in the 15th & 16th Century AD, the OT was first written in St Petersburg Russia. And all the OT tales are based on our history except the Jews have dissimulated old poetic stories of the Aryans, trying to cast themselves in a positive and leading role, they even used our King lists for their “Jewish king” lists, LOL, Jews have never had a King, not one, if you look at the chronology of the OT kings of Judah (10th-6th Centuries BC) you can see it matches almost perfectly the chronology of Eastern Roman Empire Emperors (4th-7th Century AD). The reign durations all parallel, all 15 of them. They couldn’t even be bothered to make one up, they had to copy ours

    You probably always wondered why the OT and the NT would be bound together, well the Goldsmith (moneychanger) Judenburgs in Germany started mass printing them that way. Just a good ol’ fashioned propaganda exercise, and it worked pretty good, Judens have certainly got some good publicity out of it, just goes to prove the power of the mass media.

    We be the Sons of Cain - NOT Abel, Lucifer is our Holy Father, Heil Lucifer! We are the rightful heirs of National Socialism to call the Heros of the Third Reich - “flawed”, and refer to them as mere, mass minded crude racists is just sacrilegious, its inconcievable to me how anyone could say that, It could only be through ignorance the one could claim such I thing!

    HEIL HITLER, HOLY AVATAR OF LORD LUCIFER THE CHRIST!

  12. Rostam says:

    Ok, now I get it! I am not sure if your statements are representative of the whole Aryanist movement or not but I have to say I totally disagree with them. first, before being accused of philosemetism (!!) let announce my wholehearted commitment to combatting the zionist supremacists. That being said, I don’t know where you got your idea that OT is only a few hundred years old?! We don’t have to deny the antiquity of our enemies to effectively combat them. In fact by claiming arguments that run counter to historical facts we will only weaken our positions.

    Now, I am very much aware that modern history has been very much written and falsified by the Jews but the fact that Torah is at least more than two thousand years old (certainly older that NT) cannot be denied. And I don’t see how we can benefit by denying this fact.

    However, If you are trying to forge a religion by creating dogmas (such as the ones in your post above) you can do better rather than claiming the revelations of your enemy for yourself. By the way, I am sure you are aware that the Jews themselves consider the Talmud (a vile and hateful book) more important than the OT.

    All these aside, I don’t think we will get anywhere near our goal (i.e. defeating the hordes of AntiChrist) by debating whether the original Aryans were nomadic herders or settled farmers. Heck, the Medieval aristocrats (in my opinion thoroughbred Aryans) despised the farmers and serfs. Just because they owned the lands which produced crops and like to spend their time in countryside does not make them farmers. But, again, I know your position on all this and you would most probably consider these aristocrats Goyim. So, let’s not debate the hypothetical and only be conversant in solid facts. As for our subjective liking and disliking, let’s just say that we disagree.

    One last thing. I never called those heros with the names you mentioned. I just said they were flawed and stand by my opinion. This certainly does not make them bad or less than heros, only not perfect. All mythologies point out that the heros, most of them, were flawed. And this makes them more attractive not less. As for this being sacrilegious, all I have to say is that it is not my religion.

  13. Rostam,

    It appears your response is hasty, why not review the validity of my comments before ego and emotion take hold, those must be supressed in order to discover truth.

    The greatest error would be succumbing to the lie that our Foe has a history of thousands of years when they do not, many Jews today in fact are even finding their own dissimulated and invented history hard to digest!
    The the fact is the OT that is in print today is taken from the Masoretic Hebrew OT - The Leningrad Codex. It’s first appearence is the 15th Century, that is a fact. To push the date back to 1000 AD is only reliant on biased research, no independent and reliable dating exists to date the Leningrad Codex any older than 15th Century. Of course to push an OT date back into ancient B.C. is absurd.

    The Old Testament ‘Torah’ is a forgery, written in the 15th Century in Russia by Jews, this can easily be proven through the chronology of the matching and identical King lists, it would foolish to doubt the exidence of this and the minds behind it. This totally blows the so called ‘Jewish history’ out of the water, which was already non-existent, but now their only claim to authentic history has been proven to be a forgery of Roman and European events and recordings.

    Of course the Jews would consider the Talmud more important to them then the ‘Torah’, that goes without saying.

    I’m not debating whether Aryans were settled farmers or herders and hunters, I’m telling you that the Aryans were an agricultural race who were first to build the fortified cities and establish an aristocracy based upon settled farming practices. When their Aryan kind died out so did that aristocracy, what replaced it were usurpers who in no way represented the original Aryan aristocracy..

    I would not call the usurper ‘aristocracy’ ‘Goyim’, I would call them ‘Gentiles’ and ‘Jews’, often a mix of both, kind of a hybrid Gentile-Jew.

    You did indeed call the Third Reich Heros, “flawed”, “modern”, reliant on “crude biological racism”, “catering to the masses” (which is not such a bad concept, in fact ultimately nessessary, but you meant it in a derogatory way), and
    “their movement was a modern movement and that in itself disqualifies it as Aryan” - Rostam.

    The Third Reich, German National Socialists, Adolf Hitler according to you are disqualified from being Aryan! That is sacrilegious to me, I find it inconeivable! And now you deny it and then compare these real life Aryan Heros to mythological poetical heros, as if they never even existed, like its a mere myth!

    It is certainly not flaws or imperfections that make someone more perfect, that’s an oxymoron!

    One last thing, the goal of Aryanism is not; ‘defeating the hordes of the AntiChrist’, they are your words, Rostam, it’s not ‘our’ goal.

    I wonder what Nietzsche would say…..

  14. Also Evola’s ‘Regression of the Castes” - He didn’t mean the Indian Caste System.

  15. Rostam says:

    I agree that he (Evola) did consider India’s cast system was somehow a degeneration of the Primordial Caste System, but his criticism was only in relation to the subordination of the Warrior class to the Brahmanic caste. Otherwise he is the most staunch supporter of caste system if there ever was one.

  16. There was is no record of a ‘Primordial Caste System’, that is speculation, there was a Roman GENS, which was introduced into India.

    ‘Regression of the Castes’ - “various stages of the process of decandence, that is the law of the regression of the castes” - Evola.

    Evola ultimately defines the castes as- sacred leaders, warrior aristocracy, merchant, serf. The regression being a descending order from one age to the next, so the final age is where the serfs predominately control the age. Evola saw the laset Caste as the ‘Communist International’, hardly Indian in origin….

    See this is the problem with Baron Evola, its why the Italian Fascists kept him at arms length, and why the Third Reich just tolerated him.

    We need more Himmler, and less Evola!

    Baron Evola has a great legacy, he fought bravely against the Foe, he was highly intelligent, talented and a true Aryan, he just needs to be seen with the right perspective.

    We need to put him in his rightful place, not bring him into the sphere of politics, he should be seen as a personal spiritual development guide, or for ones own personal intellectual stimulation, the less he is brought into open and practical problem solving through discussion the better.

    “We have seen how, through the gradual deterioration of the Light of the North, the process of decadence has unfolded; in the Ghibelline ideal of the Holy Roman Empire I have identified the last echo of the highest tradition.” - Evola

    Evola is basically describing, in a somewhat esoteric manner; the disintergration of the Roman Empire, now yes he might use some Vedic scriptures from the 17th Century to illustrate, as an example. But it has nothing to do with India’s caste system, that’s no good to us or anyone! Neither does it presently consist of anything like the Platonic Castes, or their natural regression.

    I would submit that Baron Evola’s writings be kept at arms length, or for personal use only. I would put his books in the ‘Spirituality’ section! I always preferred a Herman Hesse or a Dostoyevski for night time reading anyway, they are better story tellers.

  17. Rostam says:

    You are either too young or less educated. But you will grow out of this if you broaden your horizons a bit.

  18. Right, the ‘Golden Age’ as celebrated by our poets was reckoned to be according to the harvest, the harvest of golden grain, this was what ‘Gold’ was, the first ‘Gold’ was in fact Aryan Grain from Crops. Whether Greek or Latin it is the same - the Age of Saturn is the Golden Age, Saturn is a god whose name comes from ‘satus’ - sowing. The Greeks called Satus - Chronos, which means time, time was first measured by the harvests of grain, Chronos is the root of the word chronology. It was in the Golden Age that it was first reckoned that the Aryan gods mingled with men. When the Aryans arrived men thought them gods, and thus began ancient civilization. Our ancient symbol of the Swastika is the symbol of the sun and its governance of the crop cycles. “Aryan” literally means - ’tilling of soil’.

    “The foundation of the Aryan struggle for life is the soil, which he cultivates, and which provides the general basis for an economy satisfying primarily its own need within its own orbit through the productive forces of its own folk.” - Adolf Hitler.

    The ploughshare and the sword, the sword was developed because the thieves did not want to work the ploughshare so they needed to taste hardened steel instead of golden grain.

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