Since November is Movie Month, I thought I’d get the non-movie delegation done before then. Miecz asked for a commentary on this site:
http://www.positiveatheism.org/index.shtml
I have no problem at all with atheism as a theological position. What I have a problem with is secularism as a social phenomenon. I would welcome any atheists who would like to help us build the foundations of a non-secular atheism. In practice, however, I am aware that the modern promotion of atheism by people such as Sam Harris (Jew), Christopher Hitchens (Jew), etc. is just a cover for promoting secular humanism. As long as a society is non-secular, it is possible for people to be motivated by a force which cannot be bought and owned by those in power, and thus which might one day lead people to overthrow them. This is what Zionists fear. They want to monopolize all motive forces, therefore what they cannot possess they must destroy.
From the Positive Atheism site:
to right the wrongs in our world and the wrongs committed against us requires effort; no gods will do this work for us
I agree with this attitude towards active effort, as do all National Socialists. But what are the wrongs in our world? Or, more pertinently, what do atheists consider to be the wrongs in our world? If they arrive at their answer via secular humanist thinking, they will not agree with us. More on this later.
If atheists in the West and elsewhere are to gain widespread social acceptance, we must at least be able to point out that atheism is not inferior, morally, to theism. … Religious sects and groups that would otherwise have nothing to do with each other have been known to join forces in denouncing or even persecuting the atheist.
I absolutely support atheists gaining social acceptance. To this end, I recommend that religions stop denouncing atheism and instead start denouncing secular humanism. Even better would be atheists who start denouncing secular humanism. The more the link between atheism and secular humanism is severed, the better it will be for the atheists.
The problem with secular humanism is its premise that life is valuable for its own sake, from which it derives its other principles. Such a mentality prepares us for slavery, since as soon as we believe that life is valuable for its own sake, we will be thankful for life, and hence be potentially willing to submit to a slavemaster in return for being allowed to live (which is probably why Zionists promote this mentality). I need hardly point out the popular secular humanist rhetoric that repeats over and over again the staggering odds behind our unique existence, and the awe and wonder and miracle of being alive, and how amazingly fantastic it is just to be here. These are what I call (new terminology alert!) Goy biscuits:
The attitude of valuing life for its own sake is incompatible with the Aryan emphasis on freedom:
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yet another thought-provoking article by AS. You correctly identified where the danger lies (i.e. Secular Humanism). After all there are millions of religious goyim who adhere to this Jewish creed. However, I have to say that I disagree that Atheism is completely innocuous. In my opinion Secular Humanism and Atheism go hand in hand and one is the logical conclusion of the other. Of course, we can have individual atheists who are opposed to Secular Humanism but we must recognize that Atheism as an ideology or a system of thought is a modern phenomenon and closely related to Humanism.
I agree with Rostam, Atheism is related to Humanism since it views humans as the most worthy tribe and the one that is identified with. However, I believe that many people may say that they are atheists since they don’t adhere to any one religion, but these people may still have a higher moral sense. Many philosphers, I think, tend to take this route. For example, Arthur Schopenhauer simply believed in divinity and “the metaphysical significance of life” as well as animal welfare and he was adamantly against the “materialism of Judaism.”
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/schopenhauer/ <- perhaps Herr Schopenahauer can be written about on this page. From what I have read about him, he would very much approve of Aryanism.
There is also the term "Deism" which is somehwat akin to Universalism. Many of the US Founding Fathers were Deists, however some of them were also associated with Freemasonry, so we must draw a careful line there. Though an Aryan analysis of these all terms would greatly help our movement.
Secular humanism rests upon Marxist Materialism both dialetical and historical i.e. matter preceeds thought, thought as nothing more than the servant of matter. Aryan Santuary is correct, this view is a preparation for slavery.
“Matter is primary. Sensation, thought, conciousness are supreme product of matter organized in a particular way. Such are the views of materialism in general, and of Marx and Engels.”
That is distilling Materialism down to its basic essence. From this point the Atheist would add a pinch Judeo-Liberalism and a large dose of Darwinian-Evolutionism, and the Secular Humanist starting from the same point would add pinch of Judeo-Christianity and a large dose of Darwinian-Evolutionism.
Miecz acknowledges that the “materialism of Judaism”- the Marxist Materialism is where the Atheists and Secular Humanists are beginning, at the same point.
I think Aryan Sanctuary is saying that Aryanism is non-fatalistic and that Athiests are also non-fatalistic, the Atheist just has not taken on a form of judaic social lubrication - in the form of one of the Judaic religions, like the Secular Humanists have. Rostam picked up this connection as well.
Aryanism is clearly non-fatalistic - “NO FATE”, only what we create, world without end.
Unlike Atheism, Aryanism is anti-Darwinian Evolutionism, and anti-materialism.
I see the paradigm of ‘believe in God, No believe in God’ as irrelevent, it’s a fallacy, that Aryans should not enter into, because a god is not dependent upon human belief, if the god was dependent on human belief that it wouldn’t be a god.
As soon as the question is presented, “do you believe”, or “don’t you believe” then it must be a false paradigm, no true God would require human belief to exist.
I happen to have read all Schopenhauer’s books (he was my main philosophical guru after my long Nietzsche phase). I think we are safe to say that he would have approved of Aryanism as expounded on this website. After all he was the main inspiration to Wagner and Dietrich Eckart! However, he WAS a thorough atheist although absouloutly against materialism. His Idealism (Philosophical Idealism) was the hallmark of his philosophy. I have since gone beyond him but still read him for sheer enjoyment.
Concerning inclusion of atheists within Aryanism I can not do better than refer to the current thoughts of our foremost Kamerad David Myatt: “they now, like most of my non-Muslim scribblings over the years, seem to be the work of an arrogant pontificating individual who mistakenly prided himself on his intellect, his knowledge, and his understanding, when what was needed was humility… Furthermore, for quite some time I - subsumed with emotions - stupidly failed to understand the most obvious thing, which was that I should not have strayed from the noble, most wise, Muslim guidance…”
Whichever might be the Aryan European religion in which we express our loyalty, certainly these words of one of the great inspirations of National Socialism today will apply to us as well, to each in his own noble way. Christianity and Islam are indeed the two arms of our Aryan God and we shall not ignore this quiet voice from within our ancestral blood without much misfortune to our cause. Let each have his own personal belief, but we were wise not to go against the simple faith of our Folk.
Aryanism is Aryanism, we except the inheritance of German National Socialism. If David Myatt has chosen Islam then that is his choice, are we muslims? If he submits to Allah, that is his way. Allah seeks submissive obedience, and I will not bow down to him, neither the book, so be it!
It is Aryanism that has accepted the gift of National Socialism, and nothing else, I accept that gift. If David Myatt accepts that gift he can present himself and join us, if not than Allah and the Koran is his way, he can make his choice, like we must. My guidence is not the Muslim guidence, my guidence is Adolf Hitler, and he was NOT a Muslim, and neither am I. Is there reconcilation between Islam and Christianity? Impossible…Cannot be, totally oppossed, they will argue forever, and it concerns me not, for we must create the world anew, NO FATE!
Long live ARYANISM!
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Oregoncoug, I totally agree with you. But I would like to include the Third arm: The truly Aryan path of Buddhism. And by Buddhism I certainly don’t mean the degenerate scape religion of new-agers! I mean the original path of awakening delivered to us by the Saka avatara.
Sultan Mohammad II (1430-1481) of the Ottoman Turkish Empire successor of the Seljuk Turks. The 15th Century is the first time that “Mohammadans” became known to Europeans, when Sultan Muhammad II lay seige to Constantinople in 1453. The Turks had attacked the Byzantine Empire on several occasions from 1300′s onwards. In 1396 at Nicopolis (Bulgaria) the Ottoman Turks gained a crucial victory over the allied armies of Germany, Hungary and France, a defeat that would seal the doom of Constantinople and the Eastern Empire. Soon after the fall of Constantinople in 1453, the rest of Asia Minor and Greece fell to the “Mohammadans” under Sultan Mohammad II.
The Koran is a rendition of the section of the Bible preceding the “prophets” section, with some moralizing tales, hymns, the Abrahamic story and a version of the Judaic Adamite legends. These were all first written in Europe and latter adopted in the East long after the conquests of Sultan Muhammad II.
You can even see where the errors have been made in the copying, for example the sister of Moses and Aaron - Miriam, in the Koran is confused with the Mother of Jesus - “O Maryam, you have committed something totally unexpected! O sister of Harun! [Aaron - A.F.]“(427, Sura 19:28 (27)-29(28); p. 240-241. The modern commentry says; “the sister of Moses and Aaron is the mother of Jesus”….
Obviously because of the uniformity of the errors and text, the Koran could have only been produced after the invention of the printing press - 1450. The widely distributed copies of the Koran are identical, making the subsequent handwritten local copies fairly identical also, i.e. no lineage of scribal error, giving the Koran a post printing press date, just another version of certain Biblical books compilled in the Middle Ages. The first printing of the Koran took place in Constantinople,with the introduction of the Jewish printing press, it is about this time that the Holy Roman Empire began to reverse the encroachment of the Turkish Empire, and then soundly defeat them in 1699, where the Turks were forced to sign the Treaty of Karlowitz.
A few years before in 1683 the Turks had laid seige to Vienna, but were delayed, they were then forced into a retreat by allied Hapsburg, German and Polish armies lead by the Polish King himself Jan Sobieski. The allience of the Holy League pressed home the advantage, the Treaty of Karlowitz marked the end of the domination of Ottoman Turks. It was only after this that the printed word of the Bible was widely distributed among the declining Ottoman Empire, by the mid 19th Century the Ottoman Empire was the “sick man”.
It was the Sephardic Jews who had introduced the poison, not the Holy Roman Empire, because the Jews established the Gutenberg press in Constantinople in 1493, as they had migrated to the Ottoman Empire after Queen Isabella expelled them from Spain in 1492. So that is how the Turks came to know the “Bible” or the Koran as they call it, straight off the “devil’s press”. Again, if it was not for Queen Isabella, Europe would have fallen to the Ottoman Empire, The expelled Jews headed for the New World or were taken in by the Ottomans, where they already had built up an alliance, betraying the Holy Roman Empire from the inside and out, the influx of Jews into the heart of the Ottomon Empire with their printing press, was enough to weaken the Ottoman Empire, from that time on.
Islam like Christianity share a very intimate relationship with their parent- Judaism. Islam also recognizes and then adopts Jewish history as it’s own, but relegate themselves to a inferior position, obviously the children of Israel are the central religious concept of both Islam and Christianity. The mythological Jew - Moses, who parted the Red Sea in half with a magical staff that a burning shrub gave him, so his fellow Jews could cross without getting their pureblood holy toes wet, is metioned in the Koran more than any other Prophet, Exodus is the re-occurring theme throughout the Koran. Muslims obey Torah, the Seven Noahide Laws, they are Monotheists, Ham is the enemy, Hebrew and Arabic language have the same root. Both have Abraham as Father, Abraham is the first Jew and at the same time the first Muslim, a total dissimiltude. With Ishmael and Isaac as respective seed, makes the Jews brothers of the Muslims (I am your friend, trust me, we are brothers). They even fast together on Yom Kippur day.
The Jews of course reject Mohammad’s claim to prophethood, did not stop Mohammad from giving Jews complete equality and sanctuary amongst Muslims in the Constitution of Medina. Of course the Turkish people did notice later that this was not such a good idea. Just like Christianity, Islam openly embraces Jewish converts as if its a great priviledge for the holy pureblood chosen people of God Israel to recognize lowly racially inferior Christians and Muslims as brothers and sharing in the eternal glory of Yahweh, it must really show that they are indeed on the path to Heaven!
“And We chose them (Jews), purposely, above all creatures. [Surah al-Maidah: 32] Allah raised among them (Jews) prophets and bestowed upon them what He had not bestowed upon many others: And remember when Musa said unto his people (Jews) O my people (Jews)! Remember Allah’s favour unto you (Jews), how he placed among you (Jews) Prophets, and He made you Kings (Jew Kings) and gave you (Jews) that which He gave not to any other of His creatures (Christians and Muslims). [Surah al-Maidah: 20] He also exhalted them (Jews) over other nations (Christians and Muslims) of the earth and granted them (Jews) many favours: ‘ O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you (Jews) and how I prefer you (Jews) to all creatures (Christians and Muslims).’ [Surah al-Baqarah: 47] They (Jews) were CHOSEN BY GOD for a mission and God raised among them (Jews) many prophets and bestowed upon them (Jews) what He had not betowed upon many others (Christians and Muslims)”
They call that “Holy Scripture” - the Koran, now face Zion and kneel slave….
Muslims also share dietary laws and other aspects of ritualism, what is Kosher for Jews is Halal for Muslims, they eat the same food, NO PORK! and both mutilate male genitalia of their infants.
Both Islam and Judaism reject the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, and of course the belief that Jesus is God, both forbid worship of graven images- idolatry, both believe in good Angels and bad Demons, mostly sharing even the same names and roles in both religions. Neither religion believes in the Original Sin of the Christians! Both Jews and Muslims believe they will be ressurected from a piece of their back-bone! etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,
I would like to introduce a new word to our vocab its “JUDEO-ISLAM”, from now on I will just call Islam what it is “Judeo-Islam”, it would not be an insult to a Muslim, just like it is not an insult to call a Christian a “Judeo-Christian”, it would be a compliment to them, respectful to the people of the Guntenberg print book.
It would seem that Judaism/Christianity/Islam is just a larger more complicated version of the Left/Right paradigm that democracy offers and which we suffer under. Would it not make more sense for we National Socialists to almost ignore such looping debates and focus on gaining power and influence?
Hitler is our prophet, a modern and far more complete one. He ascended to power because he put his people’s well being above that of a religion, religion seems to have been secondary in the third Reich as there was to much work to do within the state and with the populous itself. We need to take a similar approach, as the failures of capitalism and democracy are ever more apparent to the average person, we should be there to offer an alternative! Aryanist economics and leadership must be developed into a clear vision which could attract the average person into our ranks. Does the average person care not more about their bellies being full than their supposed religious convictions? of course not! and under us their bellies shall be full and their minds quite occupied! Democracy already operates without strict religious convictions while satisfying the workers needs only to the extent one can call it trickery. So why not leap forward with an honest hand?
Our prophet is Hitler and his ideas and triumphs are far better documented !
Rostam: Yes, the historic Buddha’s original path of awakening is a Third Arm, or perhaps the Third Eye, of our Aryan Spirit. Brahmin and warrior India (together with Tibet) may well have the finest arts of spiritual enlightenment known to us. The Mahabharata, Bhagavad Gita and Lord Buddha’s Fire Sermon will always remain among the great spiritual treasures of our Indo-European race.
It’s impossible to be a Muslim or a Christian and be anti-Zionist. Christianity is based solely on Messianic
Judaism, it’s Messianic Judaism for Gentiles, and of course the Muslims who have submitted to Yahwey await the Jewish Messiah as well like their Jewish brothers. And we can see all three streams of Judaism merging today, they have been converging for the last 500 years and will be finally assimilated in the future.
The only representation of Aryans in the Jewish Guttenberg Bibles, in the archetype sense of mythological tales - Kain would be the Aryan, clearly Kain’s decendents are of Aryan stock, the Jews thought that the Aryans were decended from Angels, and the Jews state that Kain is the son of the Angel Sammael, the ‘Sons of God’ refers to the Fallen Angels who continued their relationship with the ‘daughters of Kain’, Kain was called the ‘Serpent King’. Now originally all these tales were Roman & Greek Philosophy & History, for example the ‘New’ Testament was originally Kain’s Testament, you can still see in the Koine Greek that ‘Kain’ is the same spelling as ‘New’, the Greek word for ‘New’ is derived from Kain. All the Jews did with the Printing press is mass produce a corrupted version of the original Roman and Greek writings, the Jews just changed words round and jumbled things up, and wrote themselves into the main role, they then added some trademark Jewish smut and blood sacrifice. After all that naturally the Bibles made no sense whatsoever. The king lists of the Old Testament are just the Roman Emperor lists, they match exactly, you can see where the Jews couldn’t even be bothered making up a new chronology so they just copied the Roman one, LOL…It’s a real hack job at the end of the day, but so is the holocaust story, it’s just that the Goyim and the Gentiles would prefer the lie, they don’t want the truth, they are just humans, the Aryans were different, a different race who mingled with the immortal Angels. The Rabbi’s say that the sons and daughters of Kain are angelic spirits in human flesh, and that they don’t die but become angels and demons.
I’d like to say I am an Atheist and National Socialist. NS isn’t anti-atheist. NS doesn’t concern what religion you are. Just so long as you fight for nobility and the cause. I dislike Secular Humanism based off the fact that it treasures slavery. I do support a secular (separation of church and state) government, however, I still want European countries with Christian roots to be preserved through its people and its schools. That doesn’t mean everyone must be Christian, but they must respect the Christian roots and group in [West] European culture. I just do not want any church to rule over our state, but it is fine if the state preserves the ideas which brought us to where they are. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Even in NS Germany, there was a separation of church and state, however, the Führer continued to express Christian ideas whether he agreed to them or not. It was the masses and the history which makes us want to preserve it and cleanse it from today’s term “Judeo-Christianity.” I hope this clears up many questions. I don’t have much beliefs, but I do respect and hold my regards to a lot of them.
I think Scepticism should be emphasized by Aryans in all philosophical pursuits, but especially so in religion, in fact ‘scepticism’, in this present age of illusions, is healthy.
The Aryan is marked by his/her lack of faith, he/she overcomes previous convictions and passions by being sceptical.
The Atheist believe’s “there is no god” and the Priest believe’s “there is a god”.
But for a god to be truly a god, your natural human belief or non-belief is not required, there would be no requirement for the use of persuasion in matters concerning a supernatural being, human belief is simply not required for or against.
What should concern Aryanism is not so much the traditional mass convictions of the persuaded masses. “Faith” comes from ‘Fay’, the mistake is ‘elf’, an elf is a Fay, ‘faerie’ is enchantment, that is what it means, and enchantment, to charm by sorcery, and sorcery is divination, the foretelling of future events, which is in reality - speculation or telling tales.
SPECULATION, from ‘species’ meaning, ‘a money paid by tale’, ‘specie’ means, ‘paid in visible coin’. when paying by telling a tale because of lack of real silver and gold coinage, but the Jews got it somewhat confused;
You see, the Jewish God is ‘money’, and in their minds they rationalize that telling a tall tale is work, and they should derive payment for telling tales, and the Learned Elders form of payment is gold, only gold.
To be a spectator, is to be beholden by a sight, to ‘have it on SPEC’, is to see it, inspect, physical evidence, you are sceptical, you do not believe tall tales, you require physical evidence in order to be convinced of authenticity.
NO FATE, only what we create, world without end!
The only thing that illusions require is your ability to accept something on lack of real evidence. And there is no way out of the illusion for those who believe in this Fate.
What is the Fate of the Aryans? well at this stage the condition remains oppressive slavery.
Kamerad Delendaestziobot,
Your above comment is about as precise an intellectual explanation of our Aryan Truth as I’ve ever read. You seem to cover the bases. (Skepticism or Nominalism is intellectually as true as Realism while the Aryan Truth is itself a Wagnerian rational sensibility.) We exclude neither atheist nor priest, although the atheist should be honestly private with his convictions and the Aryan priest should be, in all humility, too exalted to be a member of our NS Movement or of any politics whatsoever, no matter how perfect. I greatly appreciate your words indicating it is not our place to contradict “the traditional mass convictions.” We are not Freemasons. And it is equally not our place to contradict genuine Aryan science either. We are also not fideists nor heretical “democratic” traditionalists.
We are not men of ordinary irrational faith, yet we are nevertheless men of the rational scientific-magical Aryan Fides and Pietas indicated within our sacred belief: Meine Ehre heißt Treue.
And you could not be more exact than when you state that, in essence, our entire Aryan Religion and Destiny is contained in those Holy Two Words: NO FATE.
Because we are the Sonnenmensch, Sons of the Ultimate Avatar: “Now we are become Death, the Destroyers of Time.”
HEIL HITLER!
“in essence, our entire Aryan Religion and Destiny is contained in those Holy Two Words: NO FATE” - OC
That is exactly the essence of Aryan Religion, and for this very reason any practicing fortuneteller or astrology scribbler in the Third Reich had there little interests shut down, their books burnt and recieved a clip round the ears for good measure.
We need the mantra, the magical Aryan hymns, repeated, repeated rhythms, like distant drums in the night:
“Now we are become Death, the Destroyers of Time”
“No Fate, only what We Create, World without End”
“My Honor is my Loyalty”
Many, many more of course, but these mantra will have an ultimate bearing when discussing religion for Aryanism, and in the now propaganda and occult wars. To be Aryan is to understand that you have NO FATE!