Alex Jones, David Duke, And The Reverse Bluff

First, I would like to link to a video by Numinous Sun showing how the reverse bluff works in a simple example, also involving Alex Jones. If you are not familiar with the reverse bluff, please watch this first:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gIDluvsgyI

Recently Alex Jones has invited David Duke to Infowars for a “debate”. Here is the “debate”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuXNMkBJbNg

At first I wasn’t sure if Alex Jones is just an idiot or if his debating style has a deeper logic to it, but as the video went on, some patterns emerged. Jones constantly cutting Duke out is particularly annoying, and makes the audience, consciously or subconsciously, sympathize with Duke, which many of the comments indicate. (The tone of the two men also does this to some extent, making Jones look like an aggressive, rambling idiot, and Duke like a rational, intelligent, and kind person, even if one disagrees with his views. It’s likely, though, that this wasn’t planned out, as Duke is generally a much more polished person than Jones.)

But beyond giving support to Duke on a completely personal level through this personality dynamic, Jones also sponsors Duke’s ideas through the reverse bluff. What is important to note is that there are actually two “debates” going on, one regarding Jewish domination of the world, and the other concerning the “preservation of white people and their culture”. In the first “debate”, Duke’s claims of Jewish hegemony are evidenced through solid historical and political narrative (with plenty of excellent examples and accurate claims) and an explanation of Jewish tribalism. Jones’ counterarguments can overall be reduced to a single one – “not all Jews are bad” – with which Duke never disagreed (and which shows that Duke’s “every race deserves to preserve itself” is contradictory to genuine anti-Zionism, by the way).

Duke easily won the first of the two debates, and now the real danger begins. By presenting Duke as the voice of anti-Zionism, Jones is herding his audience to either one of two options in the second debate: either take racism (regardless of what Duke wants to call it) along with genuine anti-Zionism, or drop both even if Duke’s case for Jewish hegemony is accurate. Jones praises the “white” creators of Western civilization from the very start, agrees with Duke’s stance on the need to preserve the “European people” because he wants to continue seeing “European babies” (without detailing what this means for “whites” not interested or for people of other skin colors), and at times agrees that “whites” are in imminent danger not just as a collective but as individuals, we  can easily tell which is Jones’ preferred effect. Jones even goes another step forward, by labeling the False (PC) Left as more racist than Duke or other racists, thereby subconsciously making anti-racist leftists question their own allegiance to the Left as a whole. I’ve taken a few Jones quotes from about halfway through the debate for a demonstration of Jones’ fundamental agreement with Duke on this issue:

“I want everybody to either keep their culture, mix cultures, don’t: whatever you want to do – I’m a libertarian!” – Alex Jones (How can you both keep and mix cultures?)

“The Left wants to destroy it [Western Civilization] even though they’re in control of it. So there is an attitude – and I call it basically leftist, garbage, collectivist garbage – that does want to overthrow any originally Western institutions, even though that’s the source of the power structure’s power. And so I think it’s more an act of ceremonial domination, almost at a subconscious level, than it is anything else. And regardless who’s running the show, there is freakish racism being made against whites now being prodded everywhere, a-a-and I think it’s just meant to just condition everybody to accept anything and to accept what’s coming in the future.” – Alex Jones (“And I love Western Civilization and the “white” people who created it, and so I think they ought to be preserved.  And I really don’t know who the bad guys are (though Duke has made a pretty good case, which I will continue to ignore), but they’re bad, and they’re trying to ruin Western civilization and are racist against “white” people. A-a-and the Left is one of the bad guys. How can you continue being conditioned to be leftists?”)

“I just want to promote the ideals of liberty across the board, and I want to be able to throw it into the face of the Southern Poverty Law Center and other people that I don’t sink down to their race-based nature, you know, that the left pushes. And that’s what I’m saying, that I want to transcend that, and try to promote liberty to everybody, and not fall into the race-based system. But it looks like they’re pushing it so hard, and the Left is so racist, that at the end of the day it’s just going to become that because if you’re white, you won’t be able to be in area that has people that aren’t white in it because you’ll be killed, and I guess that’s the goal, and I mean whoever’s behind it, it sure is working.” – Alex Jones (“I really want myself (and others) to stand up against racism, stand up for catchphrases like “liberty” and the “free market”, and I want to be able to throw it into the face of racists that I’m not a racist like leftists. But “whites” are in imminent danger from all “non-whites”, and this is all the fault of the Left and bad guys who are bad (and who Duke identifies in a very good manner, but let’s ignore that). And I guess I’m not going to explicitly tell “whites” to be on their guard against “non-whites” and leftists (and those bad guys) from now on to stop this, and I mean you guys already know what the solution is for you not to be killed by “non-whites”.”)

Though Jones says he disagrees about the importance of “race”, he supports Duke’s argument the whole time. What really happened here is that the debate on Jews was reverse-bluffed by Jones to favor Duke’s side, and thus by extension Duke won the “debate” – more like the Duke-presents-his-racist-arguments-and-Jones-agrees talk show – on “preserving the white race”. The real poison here is not in either of the two debates, but in making the two issues – anti-Zionism and “preserving the white race” – one and the same, and then letting Duke easily win. Going through the various YouTube versions of the debate, there have been over one hundred thousand views so far, meaning Jones may have herded over one hundred thousand people to support Duke and WN.

We figured out this trick years ago (see example 5); why couldn’t Alex Jones?

Duke’s racist points are easy to demolish; why couldn’t Alex Jones?

 

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34 Responses to Alex Jones, David Duke, And The Reverse Bluff

  1. Lucius Rhine says:

    So what we need to do, our dear writers, is take advantage of this little reverse bluff. Start pumping out anti-Jew stuff on your websites to ride this wave of Jew hate, and then when you have enough hits, bring out the anti-racism bit when you have your viewers hook-line-sinker, this will really hit home that we are anti-violent, not anti other races.

  2. Numinous Sun says:

    @Lucius Rhine:

    Start pumping out anti-Jew stuff on your websites to ride this wave of Jew hate…

    None of our websites are ‘news of the day’ sites so-to-speak, they simply promote an ideology.
    The purpose of Aryanism.net can be found here: http://aryanism.net/about/purpose/

    Our purpose is to present the theory of Aryanism, and to recruit, train and organize those who show commitment and ability to put the theory into practice.

  3. Numinous Sun says:

    @Hashtali:

    Interesting also is Alex Jones’ and Paul Watson’s constant babel as of late in regards to ‘tribalism’. Even Duke seems to promote the idea that tribal tendencies among humans can never be overcome, and that there is nothing wrong with this practice, as long as we all respect each others tribes, which makes no sense what-so-ever considering the actual definition of what it means to be tribal.

    Lately I am wondering if Alex Jones and Duke have come across Aryanism.net, and are in affect attempting to undermine its principals. Either way, the uptick in their references to tribalism comes at an interesting time indeed.

  4. AS says:

    We – and anyone with a modicum of intelligence – can easily see that Jones, a known Zionist agent, was deliberately promoting Duke by reverse-bluff. (This does not include Ambush Bug, who is obviously a Duke fan. Anyone who calls Duke “Dr. Duke” is a Duke fan. Don’t waste your hope, Hashtali.)

    The only real question is: does Duke himself know that Jones was deliberately promoting him by reverse-bluff?

    In other words, is Duke in on the act, or is Duke stupid enough to actually think he won a real debate? Is Duke a Zionist agent, or a Zionist useful idiot?

    What do you guys think?

    @Lucius

    “Start pumping out anti-Jew stuff on your websites to ride this wave of Jew hate, and then when you have enough hits, bring out the anti-racism bit when you have your viewers hook-line-sinker”

    Why not bring out anti-racism from the very beginning, so long as it is visibly accompanied by Jew-awareness? We need to make it as clear as possible that our anti-Zionism is a logical consequence of our anti-racism, rather than the two being separate issues. Our message is not: “We are anti-Zionist, BUT we are also anti-racist.” Our message is: “We are anti-racist, THEREFORE we are anti-Zionist.” (And this is the honest truth. I personally was already anti-racist before I was Jew-aware, and after becoming Jew-aware I never changed my anti-racist position, but simply added Jews to my racist list.)

    “not anti other races”

    Duke frequently says this about WNs (a bald-faced lie, of course). If we say the same thing, we risk being confused with WNs.

    I think we don’t need to draw particular attention to this point, because we are an integrationist movement in the first place. People will see for themselves by reading our positions on issues such as interethnic marriage or immigration, and from the sincerity of fury with which we slam racists, that they have nothing to fear from us in this sphere. It’s only the segregationists who have to keep telling people (falsely) that they have nothing against other ethnicities:

    http://aryanism.net/wp-content/uploads/sure.jpg

  5. LuciferOverZion says:

    Never liked that fatass. He looks like a stupid neanderthal.

  6. Addekempe says:

    Well, this leaves the people who are watching between the choice of poison, poison, and water, one of the poison is for people who didn’t recognize the reverse-bluff and didn’t fall for the reverse-bluff, instead would rather continue there watching favorite fear-pornstar, Alex Jones, and live in this do-nothing-about-it mentality; the next poison is for people whom fell for the reverse-bluff and become David Duke lovers, and we all know where that goes; and the last choice is water in where you realize both are idiots, and you go to media that promotes “Anti-Racism with Jews on it’s racist list” (as AS described it), peppermint would go better with the water, when I say this I mean the do-something-about-it (i.e realistic activism) mentality can be inserted as well.

    As all great racists like David Duke, he is a Zionist useful idiot, a Zionist useful idiot who has his own useful idiots in where he can insert his “Pro-White” mentality into and the Zionists know this and love it, and that is a pretty interesting chain.

  7. Thor says:

    i personally agree with those who say that actually David Duke did NOT won any debate.

    but David Duke have shown some inteligence by admiting that jews use many gentile collaborators.

    i honestly think that EVEN National-Socialist propaganda CANNOT focus 100% and all the time on the jew.

    and Duke is not even National-Socialist. he is from the Old right, Tea Party, etc, he is a supporter of the democratic system.

    jews and zionism, of course, have a central role on the destruction of the World, but there are also gentile collaborators, mainly freemasons, that are loyal to them.

    some related blood-lines, that in some cases even have residual jewish blood, but some gentile blood-lines are also dangerous and traitors, collaborators and puppets of the jew.

    National-Socialism also have to focus on freemasonry and democracy, that are tools of the jew but they are not 100% jewish. they both have lots of gentiles.

    so, of course that i think David Duke is more closer to the truth than Alex Jones is. but Duke doesn’t criticize democracy. the term ‘democracy’ has a good meaning to David Duke, you just have to listen to his videos, constantly promoting ‘democracy’ as if it was a good thing.
    he only talks about jewish supremacism, which, of course, it is TRUE. but there are other things that are involved in this process.

    and note: i am NOT promoting Bilderberg or ‘illuminati’ theories to distract from the jew. i just mentioned democracy and freemasonry. both, democracy and freemasonry have lots of jews involved, but also lots of gentiles, and democracy is a corrupt system by nature, it means egalitarianism.

  8. Mixing Bowl says:

    Firstly, why are you all confusing race with ethnicity? I thought there were only 3 races. Jews, Gentiles, and Nobles. To say racism or anti-racism, is falling back into that trap. You should say ethnicity (I.e., African heritage, European heritage, Semitic heritage, Oriental heritage, etc.) or anti-ethnicity, and be more precise.

    Secondly, Duke has barely any fans or followers, maybe a few hundred at worst, or few thousand at best. Duke is an egomaniac, he only cares about himself. He’s extremely narcissistic and is not pro or anti ethnic, he only cares about being popular. He will say pro ethnic things like everyone has a right to protect their heritage or say anti ethnic things like European heritage is superior, it all depends on his audience, he’s literally a nobody, who just says whatever will get him popularity, a total drag queen. Furthermore, I strongly suspect based on my intuition that Duke is a self loathing man of Jewish-ethnic heritage. You see, Duke is inherently superficial by nature, and he’s deeply self-obsessed with his looks. He’s had numerous plastic surgeries over the years, such as rhinoplasty (nose job), chin augmentation, cheek implants, ear reduction, etc. Compare earlier pictures to later pictures. I’ll also link articles of his plastic surgery. In the 1990′s he underwent many plastic surgeries to look more Gentile than Jewish.

    Sourced from Wikipedia: “Gomez, a long-time journalist, recalls having met and interviewed Duke in the middle 1970s when Duke was a state senate candidate: “He was still in his mid-20s and very non-descript. Tall and slimly built, he had a very prominent nose, flat cheek bones, a slightly receding chin and straight dark brown hair. The interview turned out to be quite innocuous, and I hadn’t thought about it again until Duke came to my legislative desk, and we shook hands. Who was this guy? Tall and well-built with a perfect nose, a model’s cheek bones, prominent chin, blue eyes and freshly coiffed blond hair, he looked like a movie star. He obviously didn’t remember from the radio encounter, and I was content to leave it at that.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

    The real genetic features of David Duke, evidenced when he was young, and prior to multiple plastic surgeries.

    https://melgibstein.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/david-duke-kkk-before-cosmetic.jpg

    http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/01/10/david-duke-the-most-charming-bigot-you-ever-met/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/47363010.cached.jpg

    https://soupyone.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/duke1_kkk.jpg

    http://ronpaulsupporters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/dukeandblack.jpg

    http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20111291,00.html

  9. Mixing Bowl says:

    Also, in addition to what I said about Duke. I would strongly suspect he still has admiration for his suspect Jewish-heritage. After all, his name is David, the epitome of Jewish names. The Star of David, etc. I think he kept his name David, just to keep that little subtle trait, to give a very hint of a reminder to people, that “Hey, I’m still a Jew deep down, and I can return to my heritage at will, at anytime.”

    He’s exactly like Pam Gellar (who also like Duke, also had many plastic surgeries). An egomaniac with an inferiority complex, full of self-hate, and thus they make a life out of belittle others, to make themselves feel better.

  10. Numinous Sun says:

    @AS: I personally was already anti-racist before I was Jew-aware, and after becoming Jew-aware I never changed my anti-racist position, but simply added Jews to my racist list. Great point, I can say the same for myself as well.

    https://authenticnationalsocialismmemes.wordpress.com/2015/08/15/the-good-jew-myth/

  11. Addekempe says:

    @NS

    “I can say the same for myself as well.”

    Amazing, I was as well, always thought dividing race by skin color was a horrible concept, besides by WN “blood and genetic” standards I am “Mixed Race”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein#Veneration_of_Goldstein_and_celebration_of_the_massacre

  12. AS says:

    @NS

    “Duke seems to promote the idea that tribal tendencies among humans can never be overcome”

    I have always maintained that, if (purely for the sake of argument) ethnotribalism indeed cannot be overcome, then homogeneous multiethnic society would be all the more sensible as a measure to prevent use of WMDs, since an ethnotribalist would be unwilling to bomb people of his own tribe, and thus the best protection for people of every tribe would be to live in sufficient proximity to people of every other tribe that any WMD striking any location would hit large and proportionate numbers of people of every tribe simultaneously, which would hence be of no competitive demographic benefit to any tribe, thereby nullifying the incentive for them to ever be used in the first place.

    In contrast, WN is nothing but Duke etc. setting up the shot for future WMD attacks on “non-whites” that will not hit “whites”.

    This is how leftists need to start responding when challenged by rightists to explain the benefits of multiethnic society, instead of just mentioning the variety of restaurants.

    (Of course, Israel is currently developing genetically selective WMDs that will kill non-Jews while being harmless to Jews in the same location, so our problems are far from over…..)

  13. Mixing Bowl says:

    Could you post my other post? I had posted one that said awaiting moderation, looks like it hasn’t been approved yet.

  14. Abu Haydar says:

    @AS

    “I have always maintained that, if (purely for the sake of argument) ethnotribalism indeed cannot be overcome, then homogeneous multiethnic society would be all the more sensible as a measure to prevent use of WMDs, since an ethnotribalist would be unwilling to bomb people of his own tribe, and thus the best protection for people of every tribe would be to live in sufficient proximity to people of every other tribe that any WMD striking any location would hit large and proportionate numbers of people of every tribe simultaneously, which would hence be of no competitive demographic benefit to any tribe, thereby nullifying the incentive for them to ever be used in the first place.”

    This is indeed a good idea but sadly it can’t occur now as no one possesses the same worldview unless people who share that worldview band together to make it work.

    “In contrast, WN is nothing but Duke etc. setting up the shot for future WMD attacks on “non-whites” that will not hit “whites”.”

    Duke is just a dunce (tool), a pretty influential dunce (tool). I’ve seen some of that degenerate’s videos before, he seemed to be diplomatic to people he considers inferior (speaking of the video I remember to have seen), he claims that he’s not racist then trashes non-white cultures in favour of his “white morality” and “white civility”.

    Jones is an even more annoyance, I find him annoying because he, unawares, like all other foolish conspiracy theorists out there who instead on focusing on the j*ish problem they focus on the j*ws’ baits, makes fun of anti-zionist activism.

  15. Hashtali says:

    @Lucius

    “Start pumping out anti-Jew stuff on your websites to ride this wave of Jew hate, and then when you have enough hits, bring out the anti-racism bit when you have your viewers hook-line-sinker, this will really hit home that we are anti-violent, not anti other races.”

    I agree with AS on this. There’s no reason to believe that people who agree with our Jew-awareness material will not be Gentiles. Just the opposite, in fact! AS brought up in the past many times that this is why the anti-Zionist movement at the turn of the century failed.
    “Any violence which does not spring from a firm spiritual base will be wavering and uncertain.” – Adolf Hitler
    Therefore, create as much Jew-awareness material as necessary, but give it a firm, anti-racist spiritual base first.

    A minor detail, but I dislike the idiom “hook-line-sinker”. Not only does it imply that we are fooling people to a point they can’t escape (as a fisherman fools fish to catch them), but it also appeals to a Gentile blood memory. Something like “planting/scattering the seeds of the revolution” is much more accurate and in line with our blood memory (and with some of Jesus’ parables as a bonus).

    @Numinous Sun

    “Lately I am wondering if Alex Jones and Duke have come across Aryanism.net, and are in affect attempting to undermine its principals. Either way, the uptick in their references to tribalism comes at an interesting time indeed.”

    I wondered the same thing while watching the debate. It’s certainly possible. (I mean, A Anglin came by here once, so why not Duke and Jones?) But I think them popularizing the term before we get a chance to is not necessarily a bad thing, since they’re merely replacing “racism” with “tribalism”. Our rhetoric doesn’t need to change much.

    @AS

    “This does not include Ambush Bug, who is obviously a Duke fan. Anyone who calls Duke “Dr. Duke” is a Duke fan. Don’t waste your hope, Hashtali.”

    Don’t worry about it. My point is that even Duke fans can see it, even if they don’t understand why it’s done.

    “In other words, is Duke in on the act, or is Duke stupid enough to actually think he won a real debate? Is Duke a Zionist agent, or a Zionist useful idiot?”

    I’ve been wondering the same thing. At first I was going to include in the post that Duke probably doesn’t know what is going on (there aren’t any indications, or at least none that I have spotted), but then remembered how good Duke is at creating an image of himself. I think it would be best to suspend judgment until some clearer evidence emerges, and simply be able to counter him should we come across him or any fans.

    @Mixing Bowl

    “Firstly, why are you all confusing race with ethnicity? I thought there were only 3 races. Jews, Gentiles, and Nobles. To say racism or anti-racism, is falling back into that trap. You should say ethnicity (I.e., African heritage, European heritage, Semitic heritage, Oriental heritage, etc.) or anti-ethnicity, and be more precise.”

    To quote Goebbels:
    “It is a mistake to believe that people cannot take the truth. They can. It is only a matter of presenting the truth to people in a way that they will be able to understand.”
    And again:
    “Success is the important thing…. The point of a political speech is to persuade people of what we think right. I speak differently in the provinces than I do in Berlin, and when I speak in Bayreuth, I say different things than I say in the Pharus Hall. That is a matter of practice, not of theory. We do not want to be a movement of a few straw brains, but rather a movement that can conquer the broad masses. Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths.”

    It’s surprising to see the number of contact forms that we get from neo-Nazis who think we’re also neo-Nazis. I think describing ourselves as “racist” because we believe in the three races you mentioned would be to shoot ourselves in the foot.
    And, strictly speaking, racists are not anti-ethnicity, as the people they are for or against are not ethnicities (that is, there is no such thing as a “white” ethnicity or a “black” ethnicity, and so on). If you wish, you can use the term “ethnotribalism” (which would be a mouthful in everyday discussion) instead of “racism”.

    “Secondly, Duke has barely any fans or followers, maybe a few hundred at worst, or few thousand at best. Duke is an egomaniac, he only cares about himself. He’s extremely narcissistic and is not pro or anti ethnic, he only cares about being popular.”

    I don’t think it’s accurate to say Duke only cares about himself or about being popular. If that were the case, he would have only become racist now that it’s becoming popular; there would have been no reason for him to be racist a few decades ago if he wanted popularity. Him being genuinely WN or a Zionist agent / crypto-Jew are more likely theories.

  16. Addekempe says:

    I’m not really fond of the term “Jew-Aware”.

    1. Right-Wingers use that term all the time.

    2. All Zionists are Jew-aware, Like the punching-bag Frater Pan you can be Zionist and ‘Jew-Aware’, you know the crimes committed by Zionists, and encourage them.

    I prefer the term ‘Anti-Zionist’, Anti-Zionists are all Jew-aware, you have a backing that you against it, and you are less likely to attract right-wingers.

  17. Addekempe says:

    I’m not saying to not use the term, it’s great to use to describe Right-Wingers who claim to be against Zionism and we all know they are unconsciously pedaling the division part of the agenda of Zionism, so they are not Anti-Zionists but rather simply Jew-Aware.

  18. Thor says:

    i am both ‘Anti-Zionist’ and ‘Jew-Aware’, but not all ‘Anti-Zionists’ are Jew-Aware.
    just think of many communist ‘Anti-Zionists’ that criticize israel but always avoid to criticize the jew…many of them even apologize for criticizing israel and claim not to be’Anti-semitic’.
    the false ‘Anti-Zionism’ of communism is just for israel, but zionism is much more than just israel.

    communists always criticize capitalism, but they always fail to mention the ethnicity of most proeminent capitalists, just like Rothschild, Rockefeller, Greenspan, Bernanke, Rubin, Summers, Soros, etc
    they are not jews, they are simply ‘capitalists’.
    just like neocons criticize ‘communism’ without mentioning the jews, and without mentioning that even communism was pro-israel in the 40s, 50s, etc

    you see, cause this was exactly the purpose of spliting zionism and jewish supremacism in two or more ideologies – capitalism and neoconservatism versus marxism and left

    jewish supremacism need to be splited in two or more ideologies, precisely to avoid being detected and named.
    communists never name the jew, and neocons the same thing, but they both criticize and accuse each other of crimes, etc

    communism and capitalism are just two parts of the same jewish scam to deceit the goyim and avoid ‘jew-awareness’.

    hey, David Duke is not a zionist agent or a jew.
    one may not agree with all he says. i don’t agree with all he says, but that’s doesn’t mean i have to make up theories just to denigrate him.

    i am not a WN, i’m an aryanist…but that doesn’t mean all WN are jews or zionists! that’s paranoia.
    and i saw that photos of him younger, and he doesn’t look jew.

    besides, the bound between WN and aryanism is sometimes more subtle than you may think.

    David Duke is not a supremacist, he calls for world liberation from zionism, from Palestine to US, Canada, Europe, South Africa, Middle East, etc… he is not a tribalist or a racist. i think he is, in fact, anti-racist and genuine anti-zionist.

    just because he talks about the survival of the white race, doesn’t make him the bad guy.
    he says that all people in the world should have the right to keep his heritage.
    how is this racist or tribalist?

  19. Addekempe says:

    “just because he talks about the survival of the white race, doesn’t make him the bad guy.
    he says that all people in the world should have the right to keep his heritage.
    how is this racist or tribalist?”

    It does make him a bad guy, the whole idea of the ‘White Race’ was constructed by Zionists colonialists to divide society, I’ll explain more later or someone else can … You need read the articles on the main site a bit.

  20. John Johnson says:

    @Thor
    Surely you’re not serious???

    “i am not a WN, i’m an aryanist”

    Anyone who speaks positively of Duke is not an Aryanist.

    “he is not a tribalist or a racist.”

    Yes he is.

    “i think he is, in fact, anti-racist and genuine anti-zionist.”

    No, he is a racist who merely hates Jews because they are a tribe separate from “whites”.

    “just because he talks about the survival of the white race, doesn’t make him the bad guy.”

    Yes it does.

    “he says that all people in the world should have the right to keep his heritage. how is this racist or tribalist?”

    The desire for one’s tribe/ethnic group to preserve itself and remain separate from other ethnic groups is pretty much the definition of tribalism.

    Jewish heritage, Paleolithic “white” Gentile heritage, etc are fundamentally ignoble all the way down to the genetic level. Anyone who says these heritages and/or tribes have a “right” to be preserved is racist.

    A genuine anti-racist would wish to remove ignoble/tribalist heritage from the gene pool. Duke on the other hand wishes to perpetuate the “white” tribe’s bloodline.

    Please read these pages:
    http://aryanism.net/philosophy/arya/tribalism-vs-universalism/
    http://aryanism.net/politics/white-nationalists/
    http://aryanism.net/philosophy/arya/survivalism-vs-militarism/

  21. Thor says:

    i said i do NOT agree with everything that David Duke says.

    and i even think that he is too ‘soft’ with zionists and makes stupid concessions to the ‘holohoax’ history.

    he is too related to the christian right-wing, so i do not share his ideology on 100%.

    but if you think carefully and well, you will see that he is not a tribalist in a selfish sense.

    “Duke on the other hand wishes to perpetuate the “white” tribe’s bloodline.”

    yes, but not just the ‘White’ bloodline, Palestinian bloodline also, chinese, japonese, asian bloodlines also, african bloodlines also. he talks about jewish supremacism all over the world, middle east, Palestine, etc, not just in USA.
    so, he is not a tribalist in the selfish sense.

    a tribalist is someone who only care about is own ‘tribe’ and don’t gives a **** about the rest of the world, which is not the case of Duke, and that is not supporting him. is just being fair.

    “It does make him a bad guy, the whole idea of the ‘White Race’ was constructed by Zionists colonialists to divide society”

    well, that’s precisely my disagreement with WN’s. i also don’t like the term ‘White Race’ because it gives rise to misunderstoods. i prefer Aryan race.

    “No, he is a racist who merely hates Jews because they are a tribe separate from “whites”.”

    that’s not true. he hates jews because of jewish supremacism, zionism, etc not because they are separated from ‘whites’.
    because Palestinians are also separated from ‘whites’ and Duke doesn’t hate them. on the contrary.
    i even wonder if you guys know anything about what he actually says.

    i don’t agree with many things he says. i don’t even agree with the term ‘White race’, BUT i don’t make up tales to denigrate him.

  22. AS says:

    @Th

    “yes, but not just the ‘White’ bloodline, Palestinian bloodline also, chinese, japonese, asian bloodlines also, african bloodlines also. he talks about jewish supremacism all over the world, middle east, Palestine, etc, not just in USA.
    so, he is not a tribalist in the selfish sense.”

    Don’t be naive. The only reason he wants to preserve all existing ethnicities, and wants the end of Jewish domination worldwide, is because he estimates that with Jews out of the way, “whites” will in the long-term rise to dominate over all “non-whites”. The only difference between Duke and William Pierce/Kai Murros is that the latter are willing to say this openly, whereas Duke pretends to be a nice guy to swindle people like yourself.

    Duke believes Giant blood (as JJ correctly noted, Duke’s blood memory is mostly Giant, indeed he even promotes the Paleo diet!) is more adept at inventing high-tech weaponry than other blood. He opposes interethnic reproduction mainly because he fears that this will enable “non-whites” to acquire Giant blood and hence keep up with “whites” in the future arms race. He believes that, so long as interethnic reproduction is prevented, future “white” ethnostates will eventually win the arms race. Everything else he says is just sugarcoating to camouflage this strategy. Moreover, by encouraging different groups of “non-whites” to consider it important to maintain their separate ethnic identities, they can be kept busy fighting one another, thereby further improving the chances of successful “white” supremacy. In contrast, interethnic reproduction between different groups of “whites” is fine with him, precisely because he does not want “whites” fighting “whites” (which would reduce the chances of successful “white” supremacy). Everything he advocates is part of a straightforward tribalist (and thus by definition selfish) calculation towards successful “white” supremacy.

    The fact that this even needs to be explained is honestly worrying. This kind of thing used to be utterly obvious back in the 90s, which is why Pierce never even bothered to hide it because he knew we would see through it anyway. But these days Duke hides it and really manages to fool people.

    “i also don’t like the term ‘White Race’ because it gives rise to misunderstoods. i prefer Aryan race.”

    What do you mean?

  23. LuciferOverZion says:

    We do not need silly tribes, rather a unified Ummah, Folk, Imperium etc.

  24. Thor says:

    “The only difference between Duke and William Pierce/Kai Murros is that the latter are willing to say this openly, whereas Duke pretends to be a nice guy to swindle people like yourself.”

    well, i cannot deny that there are WN’s or Aryan Nationalists, that are somehow nostalgic of the colonial past, and William Pierce (which i admire a lot) was one of them. but it doesn’t mean that all Nationalists are the same, there are many trends beetween Nationalists and little/insignificant disputes beetween Nationalists, but is not honest to assume beforehand that David Duke is a ‘colonialist’ just because William Pierce was nostalgic for the period of ‘White colonialism’. don’t put words or thoughts on David Duke, please. it’s just not honest.

    so, for what i understand, you guys support interethnic reproduction in Europe and US?
    well, i am not 100% opposed to interethnic reproduction, but there are countries for that, like Brazil, Cuba, Mexico, etc
    countries like US, Europe, China, Japan, middle east, even Africa should preserve its heritage. what’s wrong with that?
    and what does this have to do with ‘supremacism’, ‘colonialism’, etc

    ““i also don’t like the term ‘White Race’ because it gives rise to misunderstoods. i prefer Aryan race.”

    What do you mean?”

    i mean that the term ‘White’ give rise to misunderstoods, because, in my opinion, jews are also White. but they are not European/Aryan.
    so i think that the term ‘White’ was created by Zionism (like you guys accurately said) to mislead, so the jews can ‘infiltrate’ Aryans, by spreading the wrong notion that someone without African or Indian heritage, and with ‘light skin’ is ‘White’ (meaning Aryan or European).
    this leads to confusion, because some jews mixed with Aryan blood can, somehow infiltrate us.

    the correct terms are: jews are white caucasian, and Europeans or Euro-Americans, Australians, South Africans, etc, are Aryans!

  25. Addekempe says:

    @Tr

    “well, i cannot deny that there are WN’s or Aryan Nationalists”

    Well, they’re not the same thing right?

    “that are somehow nostalgic of the colonial past”

    Yes, WNs are, but not Aryan Nationalists, unless they are fakers that call themselves that because they’re retarded.

    “William Pierce (which i admire a lot) was one of them.”

    William Pierce is WN, not an Aryan Nationalist, unlike him real Aryan Nationalists don’t cry over this fake race they call ‘white’.

    “but is not honest to assume beforehand that David Duke is a ‘colonialist’ just because William Pierce was nostalgic for the period of ‘White colonialism’. ”

    What? I’m lost, these are two different people, explain the connection, nobody ever said David Duke was a colonialist, but he might very well be one, now that you say that.

    “don’t put words or thoughts on David Duke, please. it’s just not honest.”

    Why not? he’s a WN, it’s like saying that stopping a serial killer is immoral.

    “so, for what i understand, you guys support interethnic reproduction in Europe and US?”

    We support reproduction between people with Aryan blood memory, there is people from almost every continent that does or does not have Aryan blood memory.

    “countries like US, Europe, China, Japan, middle east, even Africa should preserve its heritage. what’s wrong with that?”

    Not everyone from the same country has the same bloodline! there is bloodlines that are better within those nations, those bloodlines should reproduce regardless of the continental origins…

    Why? because race:

    “Race – Ordered bundle of traits, typically a product of precise selective pressure”

    “i mean that the term ‘White’ give rise to misunderstoods, because, in my opinion, jews are also White. but they are not European/Aryan.”

    Consider this image:

    https://swordofelysium.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/humor-nazis_colors1.png

    “the correct terms are: jews are white caucasian, and Europeans or Euro-Americans, Australians, South Africans, etc, are Aryans!”

    No, not every “Europeans or Euro-Americans, Australians, South Africans” are Aryan, also do you think that ONLY those groups are Aryan?

  26. Addekempe says:

    @Tr

    Are you trying to tell me that ALL Aryans are European?

  27. Thor says:

    @Addekempe

    not ALL Aryans are Europeans from a geographic point of view.
    but ALL Aryans are Indo-Europeans, irrespective of where they live or have born.

    yes not Europeans are Aryans. for example, Basques are Europeans but not Aryans (Indo-Europeans)

    “What? I’m lost, these are two different people, explain the connection, nobody ever said David Duke was a colonialist”

    AS was saying that the only difference between Pierce and Duke, is that Pierce was more likely to assume openly his desire for ‘white domination’ over non-whites, while Duke is more hypocrite. that is calling Duke a colonialist and supremacist.

    ———-

    what is ‘Aryan blood memory’?
    i know that german National-Socialism was not racist, supremacist, colonialist…but answer to me, did german National-Socialism ever supported interethnic reproduction??

    ———–

    “well, i cannot deny that there are WN’s or Aryan Nationalists”

    Well, they’re not the same thing right?”

    they’re not the same thing, but the distance between both are not that large.

    you guys spoke as if there was only two choices:
    1- WN’s: that are all retarded, only focus one the race subject, all supremacists, racists, colonialists, chauvinists, tribalists
    and
    2- ‘Aryanists’: all good guys, suport ethnic integration, interethnic reproduction, miscigenation, no bounds, only love, paradise style against zionism.

    actually there is a 3rd path, a 3rd position between that 2 stereotypes. and i’m precisely in that 3rd way between both.
    i’m not colonialist, supremacist, i respect all races, i’m not nostalgic for colonial past, i am radically against zionism, i talk about other subjects than race, i am not selfish, i defend Palestinians, Iraqis, Syrians, etc against brutal jewish domination and genocide…

    but on the other hand: i don’t want miscigenation, fall of bounds, globalization, interethnic reproduction etc
    because all of that are ZIONIST tools. don’t you understand? ZIONISM is trying to whip us out with miscigenation, globalization, multiculturalism, etc
    you guys talk as if all that things were ‘natural process’ and didn’t serve a ZIONIST political agenda.

  28. Hashtali says:

    @Thor
    “William Pierce (which i admire a lot) was one of them”

    Sorry, but I’m having a hard time believing you when you say that you want to “defend” other ethnic groups when you also say you admire Pierce a lot. You know how The Turner Diaries end, don’t you? Complete elimination of all “non-whites”.
    If you were just a Duke fan, I might consider that he tricked you, but I’m really not sure what to think about your claims now….

    “don’t put words or thoughts on David Duke, please. it’s just not honest.”

    Duke is the one that is not honest and we are just pointing it out. We haven’t put words in his mouth, as a liar would not utter them. Instead we have pointed out what he is really all about.
    Going further than this, if Duke really disagreed with Pierce, he should have denounced his brand of WN long ago. Duke never did. In fact, he was a fan of Pierce in his youth, and still maintains connections with Pierce’s National Alliance. Here is an example of what I mean:
    https://books.google.ca/books?id=X2WD3EnAVvEC&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=david+duke+and+william+pierce&source=bl&ots=JXVg4EvBni&sig=sT2O2PFI8y5NUmekE398bBkD4k4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CBwQ6AEwADgKahUKEwj_uJi51uPHAhVTCZIKHUbCDOQ#v=onepage&q=david%20duke%20and%20william%20pierce&f=false

    “so, for what i understand, you guys support interethnic reproduction in Europe and US?”

    We support complete Aryanization of all populations worldwide (now just Europe and the US). Since Aryan genes are found in all major ethnicities, this will mean interethnic reproduction between ARYANS of different ethnicities is not something we oppose, and in fact something we support.
    Non-Aryans will not be permitted to reproduce, neither intraethnically or interethnically.

    “well, i am not 100% opposed to interethnic reproduction, but there are countries for that, like Brazil, Cuba, Mexico, etc
    countries like US, Europe, China, Japan, middle east, even Africa should preserve its heritage. what’s wrong with that?
    and what does this have to do with ‘supremacism’, ‘colonialism’, etc”

    Actually, you are supporting colonialism right here. You are telling foreign countries (like Brazil, Cuba, Mexico, etc.) that they are to functions as places where interethnic reproduction is to occur; you are treating them as colonies.
    Furthermore, I have a feeling you would also support sending “undesirable” nationals (multiethnic people from your country and multiethnic couples) to those countries regardless of whether those countries consent or not; this is also colonialism. Actually, this is hardly any different than the British Empire sending British criminals to populate Australia in the past. In fact, the only difference is that they were sending criminals, while you would be sending innocent people whose only “offense” is that they were born multiethnic or love somebody of a different ethnicity.
    And if you are from one of those nations, you are basically allowing your nation to be a colony of one of the foreign nations, which is not nationalism but servitude.

    “so i think that the term ‘White’ was created by Zionism (like you guys accurately said) to mislead, so the jews can ‘infiltrate’ Aryans, by spreading the wrong notion that someone without African or Indian heritage, and with ‘light skin’ is ‘White’ (meaning Aryan or European).”

    This is not what we said. We never said all “Europeans” are Aryan, nor all Aryans are “European” (or of “European” origin). Please reread the Aryan Diffusion series.

    “but ALL Aryans are Indo-Europeans, irrespective of where they live or have born.”

    No. Please subsection “On Modern Abuse of the Term “Aryan”": http://aryanism.net/culture/aryan-race/aryan-diffusion-roundup/

    “for example, Basques are Europeans but not Aryans (Indo-Europeans)”

    Out of curiosity, if Basques started speaking an Indo-European language like Spanish or French, would you consider them Aryan?

    “that is calling Duke a colonialist and supremacist.”

    Which he is.

    “i know that german National-Socialism was not racist, supremacist, colonialist…but answer to me, did german National-Socialism ever supported interethnic reproduction??”

    Yes, provided it was beneficial to Aryanization. Likewise, any breeding contrary to Aryanization was to be stopped.

    “We must examine each particular case. The only problem is to make sure whether the offspring of any race will mingle well with the German population and will improve it, or whether, on the contrary (as is the case when Jew blood is mixed with German blood), negative results will arise. Unless one is completely convinced that the foreigners whom one proposes to introduce into the German community will have a beneficial effect, well, I think it’s better to abstain.” – Adolf Hitler

    “actually there is a 3rd path, a 3rd position between that 2 stereotypes.”

    No, this is not a third path. There are two paths: Frodo and Gollum. And Gollum has two personalities. The first path you mentioned is the aggressive Gollum. The “third” path you mentioned is Gollum feigning compassion for Frodo. Don’t forget that Gollum was once a Hobbit, but the ring ruined him, just as it was about to ruin Frodo. We are Frodo after renouncing the ring and all those who want it. Are you willing to renounce it, or will you fall as Gollum fell?

    “but on the other hand: i don’t want miscigenation, fall of bounds, globalization, interethnic reproduction etc”

    What do you plan to do if your own ethnic group needs to threaten another ethnic group in order to survive? Anybody who genuinely wants his ethnic group to be preserved must be ready to threaten the existence of another ethnic group if necessary.

    By the way, we also support national boundaries, just not national boundaries that cannot be crossed. We are also not globalists. And all this is on the main site….

    “because all of that are ZIONIST tools. don’t you understand? ZIONISM is trying to whip us out with miscigenation, globalization, multiculturalism, etc”

    Why don’t you understand that exactly this kind of reaction is what the Jews want? Instead of people of all ethnic origins joining the fight against Jews, Jews are setting us against each other.
    If you’re not ready to treat people of different ethnicities as individuals and comrades IN YOUR OWN NATION, how will you be able to treat them as individuals and comrades IN DIFFERENT NATIONS? And if you cannot treat them as individuals and comrades, how can you expect for anybody who thinks like you to be ready to join others in the struggle against Jewish hegemony?
    WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND???

    “you guys talk as if all that things were ‘natural process’ and didn’t serve a ZIONIST political agenda.”

    Please enlighten me as to how interethnic couples are helping a Zionist political agenda….

  29. Pandorastop says:

    @Thor

    “ZIONISM is trying to whip us out with (sic) miscigenation.”

    Yes, they are. In fact the last thousand years (if not more) of International Jewry has dedicated itself to the extirpation of the Aryan peoples. But it would seem as if you have absolutely no problem with the bastardization of Aryan blood as long as they are both of pale and or same complexion. Gentiles (and Jews to an even more depraved, degenerate level) take pride in defiling the Aryan woman!

  30. Addekempe says:

    @Tr

    Your’re really incoherent about this ideology, and I’m really tired and sick.

    But, I’d like to ask, I am a multi-ethnic person, what would be my ideal fate in your nation of preserving ethnicities?

    I’d be pretty pissed if your nation fucks with me over ethnicity.

  31. Andalucian Warrior says:

    @Thor – That’s not what this website is about. if you believe in that stuff, there are loads of other websites you can use that promote those ideas. The end. Goodbye.

  32. Numinous Sun says:

    What more proof does anyone need? If one is willing to entertain an obvious racist as a guest, then one most likely is a racist themselves. (Which we obviously already knew.)

    Dr. Duke, Andrew Anglin discuss the invation of Europe and the Zionist threat to the world.
    http://davidduke.com/dr-duke-andrew-anglin-discuss-the-invation-of-europe-and-the-zionist-threat-to-the-world/

  33. RP says:

    @AS
    “In other words, is Duke in on the act, or is Duke stupid enough to actually think he won a real debate? Is Duke a Zionist agent, or a Zionist useful idiot?”

    Duke = useful idiot
    Spencer = Zionist agent

    It could have something to do with the predominance of Giant (Gentile) blood in the former, and Pelasgian (Turanian) blood in the latter.

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