Support Lisbeth Zornig!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/11/danish-childrens-rights-activist-lisbeth-zornig-people-trafficking

Lisbeth Zornig, the country’s former children’s ombudsman and a well-known author, was fined DKr22,500 (£2,328) – the maximum demanded by the prosecutor – by a court in Nykøbing Falster, southern Denmark, for allowing a family of Syrians to hitch a ride with her to Copenhagen.

Her husband was fined the same amount for taking the family into his home for coffee and biscuits, and then driving them to the railway station, where he bought them tickets to Sweden.

“This was a political trial, using me and my husband to send a strong message: don’t try to help refugees,” Zornig said after the verdict.

“I am very angry because the only thing we did was the decent thing, the same that hundreds of others did. They are criminalising decency.”

Zornig has decided to appeal against the verdict.

In January, a man was fined DKr5,000 (£517) for driving an Afghan family from the German border in September. On Thursday, a 70-year-old pensioner was fined DKr12,500 for a similar offence.

While driving in southern Denmark on 7 September, Zornig passed crowds of refugees on the road. “I simply could not go home with the car empty. I did not think it was forbidden to take hitchhikers,” she said.

Zornig picked up four adults and two small children, and was interviewed on Danish television while she made room in her car for them. “I thought smuggling was when you pass a border and when you take money or benefit from it – not driving inside the country,” she said. “But unfortunately that seems to be the case in Denmark.”

Zornig pleaded not guilty to what she described as “helping people in distress”.

A UN protocol against trafficking of migrants defines people smuggling as acts motivated by “financial or other material benefit”, said Bjørn Elmquist, a lawyer for Zorning and several other Danes charged with trafficking. Yet Danes have been helping refugees at their own expense.

Meanwhile:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/far-right-activists-impersonated-police-to-attack-refugees-for-money-and-mobile-phones-in-calais-a6927711.html

Yet the far-right wants people to believe that the establishment governments are leftist?

Here is what is really going on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifr%C3%B6st

In Norse mythology, Bifröst (/?b?vr?st/[1] or sometimes Bilröst or Bivrost) is a burning rainbow bridge that reaches between Midgard (the world) and Asgard, the realm of the gods. The bridge is attested as Bilröst in the Poetic Edda; compiled in the 13th century from earlier traditional sources, and as Bifröst in the Prose Edda; written in the 13th century by Snorri Sturluson, and in the poetry of skalds. Both the Poetic Edda and the Prose Edda alternately refer to the bridge as Ásbrú (Old Norse “Æsir’s bridge”).[2]

According to the Prose Edda, the bridge ends in heaven at Himinbjörg, the residence of the god Heimdallr, who guards it from the jötnar. The bridge’s destruction during Ragnarök by the forces of Muspell is foretold.

Did you really think it is mere coincidence that pro-refugee demonstrators use rainbow flags? No, this is Trojan blood memory we are looking at:

http://www.kaleidoscot.com/humanitarian-crisis-how-to-help-4560

Defend Bifroest!

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87 Responses to Support Lisbeth Zornig!

  1. Handschar says:

    @Hermann

    In a purely physical context, Aryans display a cranial index not exceeding 75 with neotenous yet regal features [ethnicity is irrelevant to sacred geometry].

    Moreover Aryan phenotype constitutes more than a beautiful surface.

    Aryans communicate sincere intent, radiate dignity and an unmistakable aura of nobility.

    Even when frugal and plain Aryans communicate ineffable beauty. [See below]

    http://postimg.org/image/7f4cfwcch/

    Or when in their element. Prussian princess and chief of the Death’s-Head Hussars. [See below]

    http://postimg.org/image/be3o1fzpd/

    Some Aryans are so dignified their beauty is numinous. [See below]

    http://postimg.org/image/tkazlqdmp/

    http://postimg.org/image/spxq299j5/

    And some Aryans are more beautiful than words can describe.

    Here is what an Aryan looks like.

    http://postimg.org/image/3p1hvdpxd/

  2. AS says:

    @Hermann

    “What do you people think a pure Aryan looks like?”

    Better than you.

    “Why do you support the Jewish plan of forced immigration into Europe?”

    Firstly, there is no “forced immigration”. Those who migrate to a new country do so because they themselves wish to live in that country.

    Secondly, the Jewish plan is the far-right backlash against immigrants and thus the imitation of Israeli policies, which in turn will make criticism of Israel much more difficult. We oppose this plan by promoting immigrant-friendly attitudes in order to make Israel’s moral inferiority obvious by comparison.

    “Why do you want the exact thing that destroyed the Golden Age to continue?”

    The Golden Age was destroyed by your bloodines mixing with ours.

    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1310/131011-European-hunter-gatherers-and-immigrant-farmers-lived-side-by-side

  3. Coyotl says:

    @Hermann
    >What do you people think a pure Aryan looks like?
    A pure Aryan’s phenotype would have differed superficially depending on the region, but they would nonetheless have similar physical (and spiritual) characteristics that unite them across ethnic lines.

    http://aryanism.net/culture/aryan-race/

    >Why do you support the Jewish plan of forced immigration into Europe?
    We understand that it is the plan of the Jew to spark discord between Westerners and the peoples of Islam via the rise of the Far Right. Jews have used divide and conquer to accomplish their goals for centuries. The correct course of action is to do everything in our power to ensure people are not divided along ethnic lines but instead between Zionist and anti-Zionist. This is the only way we can achieve victory.

    >Why do you want the exact thing that destroyed the Golden Age to continue?
    The Golden Age ended when Neolithic Aryans mingled their blood with non-Aryans. We are already at a stage where Aryan blood is scarce amongst all populations, but nonetheless exists somewhere in there. That applies as much to people of Middle Eastern descent as to people of European descent. If you still think that Europeans are “pure Aryans” or other such nonsense, please read:

    http://aryanism.net/culture/aryan-race/aryan-diffusion-part-6/

    Our goal is to gather people of Aryan blood regardless of their ethnic background.

  4. Hermann says:

    “A pure Aryan’s phenotype would have differed superficially depending on the region, but they would nonetheless have similar physical (and spiritual) characteristics that unite them across ethnic lines.”

    Thank you, I have read your material.

    What is your evidence for this? Why would Aryan traits develop independently? Why would they stop? All we KNOW is that these traits exist. And going by current and historical evidence it seems obvious who are the closest descendants of what would logically be an original, h0mogenic race.

    “We understand that it is the plan of the Jew to spark discord between Westerners and the peoples of Islam via the rise of the Far Right. Jews have used divide and conquer to accomplish their goals for centuries. The correct course of action is to do everything in our power to ensure people are not divided along ethnic lines but instead between Zionist and anti-Zionist. This is the only way we can achieve victory.”

    The discord is sparked the moment you mix different ethnicities and religions. On their own they are enough to cause trouble, not mention when in tandem. There is absolutely no need for a far right to cause a divide. The establishment of segregated societies will do that on its own.

    The only way to achieve victory is to achieve power. The more leftist supporters coming into the west, or false leftists as you call them, the harder it will be to resist total domination by Jewry. There’s a reason they want this above all. The rise of the right is entirely up to them as it it is them that control the media. Any real threat to their power will never emerge as long as people are fed and entertained.

    “The Golden Age ended when Neolithic Aryans mingled their blood with non-Aryans. We are already at a stage where Aryan blood is scarce amongst all populations, but nonetheless exists somewhere in there. That applies as much to people of Middle Eastern descent as to people of European descent. If you still think that Europeans are “pure Aryans” or other such nonsense, please read:”

    But clearly more common in some populations than others. Are you really going to deny the Aryan traits of western peoples? The corresponding societies they have created? No, not pure, but clearly a stronger spark than the rest. If any regeneration is going to take place you will first need Aryan men to take charge, then start the cultivation of Aryan blood.

    And that has been tried in earnest only once. Hitler only got a third of the vote, and he was a genius, an Avatar, campaigning in a beaten and desperate Germany. No such conditions exist today. The same amount of Aryan blood no longer exist. You think turning Europe and America into Brazil is going to bring the Aryan Revolution? Really?

  5. AS says:

    @Hermann

    “I have read your material.”

    I see.

    “What is your evidence for this?”

    I thought you said you have read our material.

    “Why would Aryan traits develop independently?”

    I thought you said you have read our material.

    “Why would they stop?”

    I thought you said you have read our material.

    “The discord is sparked the moment you mix different ethnicities”

    As soon we remove people like you from the mix, the discord vanishes. You are the problem, not multiethnic society.

    http://aryanism.net/politics/multiethnic-society/

    (I thought you said you have read our material.)

    “The more leftist supporters coming into the west, or false leftists as you call them, the harder it will be to resist total domination by Jewry.”

    Many of the leftists coming into the West are not False Leftists, but solidly anti-Zionist, and many don’t even care for democracy. They are much nearer to the True Left than to the False Left.

    http://aryanism.net/politics/foundations-of-the-true-left/

    (I thought you said you have read our material.)

    “But clearly more common in some populations than others.”

    Clearly!

    http://chartsbin.com/view/12730

    http://chartsbin.com/view/1491

    (I thought you said you have read our material.)

    “Are you really going to deny the Aryan traits of western peoples? The corresponding societies they have created?”

    http://aryanism.net/politics/foundations-of-the-true-left/western-civilization-must-die/

    (I thought you said you have read our material.)

    “No, not pure, but clearly a stronger spark than the rest.”

    And you wonder why you are called Homo Hubris. Some of you read the Tanakh and believe you are the real Israelites; others of you read Aryan mythology and believe you are the strongest Aryan spark (it goes without saying that our standards and Judaic standards are polar opposites). Truly Eurocentrism at its most absurd.

    “If any regeneration is going to take place you will first need Aryan men to take charge, then start the cultivation of Aryan blood.”

    Which is why you need not bother sending in a contact form.

    “You think turning Europe and America into Brazil is going to bring the Aryan Revolution? Really?”

    I thought you said you have read our material.

  6. John Johnson says:

    “And going by current and historical evidence it seems obvious who are the closest descendants of what would logically be an original, h0mogenic race.”

    LOL! For the past 200 years (at least) anthropologists have acknowledged the extreme variation within the “white race”. If you read our material, you would understand just how skeletally homogeneous Aryans are across ethnic lines, different skin colors, and regions. Just for fun, here are some quotes demonstrating just how non-homogeneous your beloved “white race” is.

    “We do not know that the survivors of the food-gatherers [i.e. Paleolithic hunters] whom the Mediterranean food-producers [i.e. Neolithic farmers] absorbed were white in soft-part morphology, and there is some evidence that some had begun to evolve in a mongoloid, others perhaps in a negroid, direction. Such variations may be seen within the present composite white racial amalgam.

    At any rate, the main conclusion of this study will be that the present races of Europe are derived from a blend of (A), food producing peoples from Asia and Africa, of basically Mediterranean racial form [i.e. Neolithic Aryans], with (B), the descendants of interglacial and glacial food-gatherers [i.e. Paleolithic Gentiles], produced in turn by a blending of basic Homo sapiens, related to the remote ancestor of the Mediterraneans, with some non-sapiens species of general Neanderthaloid form. The actions and interactions of environment, selection, migration, and human culture upon the various entities within this amalgam, have produced the white race in its present complexity.” -Carleton Coon

    Carleton Coon thought Neanderthal admixture played a major part in the formation of the “white race”. More recent genetic studies have instead shown that Coon overestimated the influence of Neanderthals; Paleolithic Europeans may be “pure humans” afterall, but they are so biologically distinct from Neolithic-descended populations that he thought they must have been influenced by an entirely different species!!!

    Coon is blinded by ethnocentrism when he dishonorably lumps Paleolithic and Neolithic groups, which he acknowledges as extremely different, together; but he correctly points out the homogeneity of the Neolithic type–which overlaps with “non-white” ethnic groups. This is consistent with our study of Aryan traits transcending ethnic clusters (which are erroneously called “races” in common speech).

    “Mediterranean, in this sense, is the name by which we propose to designate that one of the two major racial elements, concerned with the development of white peoples, which completely lacks Neanderthaloid ancestry. It differs from the major Upper Palaeolithic group of Europe and northern Africa in several respects.

    It can be shown that Sumerians who lived over five thousand years ago in Mesopotamia are almost identical in skull and face form with living Englishmen, and that predynastic Egyptian skulls can be matched both in a seventeenth century London plague pit, and in Neolithic cist-graves in Switzerland. Modern dolichocephalic whites or browns are very similar in head and face measurements and form.” -Carleton Coon

    He even suggests that the ancestral Neolithic stock and ancestral Paleolithic stock were separate since at least the Riss-Wurm interglacial period, 130,000-115,000 years ago!!! It seems like “whites” are one of the least homogeneous “races” to me.

    “In this chart an attempt is made to separate the purely sapiens Mediterranean group from the Upper Paleolithic mixed sapiens and Neanderthal races. Thus the Mediterannean sub-groups, races of food-producers which had already become differentiated before the great migrations into Europe…” -Carleton Coon
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XVvIFD83YpU/UDfUr3fqNtI/AAAAAAAAAZM/uChyzb_GQqA/s1600/Coon.gif

    Even literate White Supremacists acknowledged the non-homogeneity of “whites”!

    The distinction between a long skull and a round skull in mankind probably goes back at least to early Paleolithic times, if not to a period still more remote. It is of such great antiquity that when new species or races appear in Europe at the close of the Paleolithic, between 10,000 and 7,000 years B.C., the skull characters among them are as clearly defined as they are to-day.

    The fact that two distinct species of mankind have long skulls, as have the north European and African Negro, is no necessary indication of relationship and in that instance is merely a case of parallel specialization, but the fact, however, that the Swede has a long skull and the Savoyard a round skull does prove them to be racially distinct.” -Madison Grant

    “Along with other ancient and primitive racial remnants, ferocious gorilla-like living specimens of Paleolithic man are found not infrequently on the west coast of Ireland are are easily recognized by the great upper lip, bridgeless nose, beetling brow with low growing hair and wild and savage aspect. The proportions of the skull which give rise to this large upper lip, the low forehead and the superorbital ridges are certainly Neanderthal characters. The other traits of this Irish type are common to many primitive races. …If, as it is claimed, the Neanderthals have left no trace of their blood in living populations, these Firbolgs are derived from some very ancient and primitive race as yet undescribed.” -Madison Grant

    “From a zoological point of view Africa north of the Sahara is now and has been since the early Tertiary times a part of Europe. This is true both of animals and of the races of man. The Berbers of north Africa to-day are racially identical with the Spaniards and south Italians while the ancient Egyptians and their modern descendants, the fellaheen, are merely well marked varieties of this Mediterranean race.

    The Egyptians fade off toward the west into the so-called Hamitic peoples (to use an obsolete name) of Libya and toward the south the infusion of Negro blood becomes increasingly great until we finally reach the pure Negro. On the east in Arabia we find an ancient and highly specialized subdivision of the Mediterranean race, which has from time out of mind crossed the Red Sea and infused its blood into Negroes of east Africa.

    To-day the Mediterranean race forms in Europe a substantial part of the population of the British Isles, the great bulk of the population of the Iberian Peninsula, nearly one-third of the population of France, Liguria, Italy south of the Apennines and all the Mediterranean coasts and islands, in some of which like Sardinia it exists in great purity. It forms the substratum of the population of Greece and of the eastern coast of the Balkan Peninsula.” -Madison Grant

    “While very ancient, located for probably ten thousand years in western and southern Europe, and even longer on the south shore of the Mediterranean, nevertheless this subspecies [Mediterranean "race"] cannot be called purely European.” -Madison Grant

    “…the Alpine race came from the east through Asia Minor and the valley of the Danube and that its present European distribution is merely the westernmost point of an ethnic pyramid, the base of which rests solidly on the round skulled peoples of the great plateaux of central Asia. Both these races [Mediterraneans and Alpines] are, therefore, western extensions of Asiatic subspecies and neither of them can be considered as exclusively European.

    With the remaining race, the Nordic, however, the case is different. This is a purely European type, in the sense that it has developed its physical characters and its civilization within the confines of that continent. It is therefore, the Homo europaeus, the white man par excellence.” -Madison Grant

    Grant seems to only consider non-Neanderthal-mixed “Nordics” as true “whites”. I think it is no coincidence that predominately “Nordic” countries have the highest amount of Paleolithic blood:
    http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Neolithic_Europe-blood.jpg

    Both Coon and even Grant acknowledge the racial continuity between Europe and the “Middle East”. By aiding these individuals, Zornig (and others) are bringing us closer to the Golden Age than you can ever imagine.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Cardial_map.png
    http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~rauhn/CWC_text/CWC_3_files/image002.jpg

  7. Hermann says:

    “LOL! For the past 200 years (at least) anthropologists have acknowledged the extreme variation within the “white race”. If you read our material, you would understand just how skeletally homogeneous Aryans are across ethnic lines, different skin colors, and regions. Just for fun, here are some quotes demonstrating just how non-homogeneous your beloved “white race” is. ”

    I didn’t claim the white race was homogeneous, I said the original Aryans were. My question was what you believe this original race to have looked like. When I see your list of traits the answer appears obvious.

    “He even suggests that the ancestral Neolithic stock and ancestral Paleolithic stock were separate since at least the Riss-Wurm interglacial period, 130,000-115,000 years ago!!! It seems like “whites” are one of the least homogeneous “races” to me.”

    It would make sense for the race that traveled the most and created the most attractive societies to be the most mixed.

    “Grant seems to only consider non-Neanderthal-mixed “Nordics” as true “whites”. I think it is no coincidence that predominately “Nordic” countries have the highest amount of Paleolithic blood”

    No coincidence in what way?

    “Both Coon and even Grant acknowledge the racial continuity between Europe and the “Middle East”. By aiding these individuals, Zornig (and others) are bringing us closer to the Golden Age than you can ever imagine. ”

    I still don’t see how promoting the growth of non Aryan traits to be bringing us closer to the golden age.

  8. Hermann says:

    “In a purely physical context, Aryans display a cranial index not exceeding 75 with neotenous yet regal features [ethnicity is irrelevant to sacred geometry].

    Moreover Aryan phenotype constitutes more than a beautiful surface.

    Aryans communicate sincere intent, radiate dignity and an unmistakable aura of nobility.”

    Do you not agree that all of these traits are found more frequently in the West than anywhere else? If so, does that not suggest a closer kinship? Is it a coincidence almost every Aryan proponent come from these ethnicities?

    I guess I just don’t see how flooding those remnants with mostly non Aryan traits is going to do any good.

  9. Hashtali says:

    @Hermann

    “Do you not agree that all of these traits are found more frequently in the West than anywhere else?”

    NO! The ENTIRETY of the West – its politics, economics, values, art, people, and anything else – communicates falsehood and deceit rather than sincere intent (perhaps except when communicating sincere arrogance about its alleged superiority), radiate arrogance rather than dignity, and have an unmistakable aura of complacency over its slavishness rather than nobility. AS did not fail to make the inferiority of the West clear here:
    http://aryanism.net/politics/foundations-of-the-true-left/western-civilization-must-die/
    but I guessed you missed that when reading our material.

    “Is it a coincidence almost every Aryan proponent come from these ethnicities?”

    When reading our material, did you miss the entire Aryan Diffusion series too?

    “I guess I just don’t see how flooding those remnants with mostly non Aryan traits is going to do any good.”

    I, as well as any other true Aryan who must operate in the West, would be thrilled to have more of these guys on our side:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db0aGhgMiPs
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btTL7Z3ZvC0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyqBwIdhDOU
    And for the Gnostics:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyqPgL5qWnU

    Now show me a Westerner who is as Aryan as that, and I will show you he is not a Westerner.

  10. @ Hashtali – Thanks for those videos. Very inspiring!

  11. Hermann says:

    “NO! The ENTIRETY of the West – its politics, economics, values, art, people, and anything else – communicates falsehood and deceit rather than sincere intent (perhaps except when communicating sincere arrogance about its alleged superiority), radiate arrogance rather than dignity, and have an unmistakable aura of complacency over its slavishness rather than nobility. AS did not fail to make the inferiority of the West clear here”

    Well obviously, when the golden age is over and purity is lost. That’s why you are looking for a state eugenics program to bring it back.

    How does it fare compared to the rest of the world though? Have you seen the barbary that goes on? Are you really taking the line of Aryan traits being equally distributed in all the ethnicities of the world? Is that logical?

    “When reading our material, did you miss the entire Aryan Diffusion series too?”

    It was the most interesting part. Did you miss that most Aryan thinkers and writers are “white”?

    “I, as well as any other true Aryan who must operate in the West, would be thrilled to have more of these guys on our side: ”

    As would I. My question was why do you fancy the prospect of more non Aryan types coming into your neighborhood? Surely you must have noticed that most of these “refugees” are not Aryans. Neither by appearance or deed.

  12. Hashtali says:

    @Isaac

    I’m glad you liked them!

    @Hermann

    “Well obviously, when the golden age is over and purity is lost.”

    We do not believe the racial origins of Western Civilization lie in the Golden Age, but among European non-Aryan populations. I would argue that Giant (i.e. Gentile) blood memory to some extent has more to do with the West than Pelasgian (i.e. Turanian) blood memory, but debating the proportions is not relevant to my point; what is relevant is understanding that the West is not Aryan.

    “That’s why you are looking for a state eugenics program to bring it back.”

    We are not “looking” for a state eugenics program or for any eugenics program. There is a whole section on this issue here:
    http://aryanism.net/politics/population-and-demographics/
    You’re sure you’ve read our material?

    “How does it fare compared to the rest of the world though?”

    Seriously? Do I have to quote passages from a page that I linked in my last response? Can you not read it yourself? Here it is again:
    http://aryanism.net/politics/foundations-of-the-true-left/western-civilization-must-die/

    “Have you seen the barbary that goes on?”

    Presuming you mean “barbarity” rather than “barbary”, yes, I’m quite aware of it (and it was covered in the Aryan Diffusion Series too). But, for one, Western Civilization is infinitely worse, something you don’t seem to have seen (as AS accurately described in the page linked above: “This is Western civilization: a giant surround-sound stereo system that amplifies the volume of constantly blasting trumpets so as to easily drown out all the screams of numberless victims whose pain is what drives the motor that powers the stereo system.”). Also, Western Civilization is also responsible, directly or indirectly, for many of those barbarities.
    We’re not ones to turn a blind eye to the injustices of non-Westerners, but for some reason far-rightists only have a problem when we point out that the West has no idea what justice is.

    “Are you really taking the line of Aryan traits being equally distributed in all the ethnicities of the world?”

    No, I’m not, and I don’t see which of my words even implied this.

    “Is that logical?”

    No, it’s not, which is why I don’t never claimed equal distribution. If we divide humanity along any non-racial lines, we’re bound to find inequality between groups. For example, if we were to divide people like Marxists do, it might turn out that the “bourgeois”, the “proles”, or the “peasantry” have different percentages of people with Aryan traits. But I’m not going to ask the group with the highest percentage of Aryans to not associate with the group with the lowest percentage. That’s counterproductive and indeed a recipe for disaster, as are any other arbitrary, non-racial distinctions, which is why I don’t take anybody seriously if they believe we should favor one group over another in this way. (Son of Troy also covered this topic here: https://trueleftblog.wordpress.com/2015/09/30/identity-versus-personality/)
    Also, the existence of inequality in now way implies “whites” are at the top of the ladder. The fact they produced Western Civilization puts them somewhere at the bottom, somewhere around Jews.

    “It was the most interesting part. Did you miss that most Aryan thinkers and writers are “white”?”

    Clearly, you must have been reading something else, because no such claim was made there. Also, there is no such thing as a “white” Aryan, as covered here:
    “As a matter of fact, since “white” is the name of a Gentile tribe, the notion of a “white Aryan” is as oxymoronic as the notion of a “Jewish Aryan”. No self-respecting Aryan would ever want to associate with “whiteness”, a racist concept created by the British Empire and other colonial powers for the purpose of segregating the colonists from the colonized populations (in the same way that the concept of Jewishness was created to keep Jews distinct from non-Jews wherever Jews have lived among non-Jews),….”
    http://aryanism.net/politics/white-nationalists/
    So I don’t see how most Aryan thinkers and writers could have been “white”….
    Please, no more trolling.

    “My question was why do you fancy the prospect of more non Aryan types coming into your neighborhood? Surely you must have noticed that most of these “refugees” are not Aryans. Neither by appearance or deed.”

    What I’m opposed to is people who believe “whites” are the most Aryan people on Earth stopping other people from moving where they want to. Such people not only lack empathy, but also would effectively be stopping more Aryan types from coming into my neighborhood, while also using eugenics programs to the reproductive advantage of non-Aryan “whites” over Aryans. And since they’ve completely misunderstood our ideology, such people would laud themselves as the champions of Aryanism because of their actions, thus spoiling any attraction genuine Aryans might have had for us.

  13. @Hashtali – I sent this message to you and AS already, but I thought it may be worthwhile posting my query here, as the answer may be of benefit to others. I often find remarks made by Sunni Muslim against Shia, and it grieves me. But not being Muslim myself (at least in a formal way) I don’t really understand. I know the history somewhat, Ali and all that. But I know that somehow this division must be fought against. Even among my supporters I have both Sunni and Shia. When I posted something from Hezbollah, a Sunni supporter of mine warned me that they were Shirk… I really want to understand how to answer this. Mostly I am just grieved. A Shia friend of mine says it is a Wahabi/Zionist plot to divide Muslims.

  14. @Isaac:

    I don’t know enough about the history of the Sunni versus Shia divide to comment on whether or not it was originally created by Zionists as a way to divide Muslims, however, the Zionists certainly use it to their advantage. One need only read the Zionist Oded Yinon Plan for a “Greater Israel” to see how this divide is being used as a demographic weapon against Muslims, by Zionists.

    In regards to Wahhabism and Saudi Arabia, they are exporting that ideology to Muslim countries in an effort to mislead Muslims into fighting each other.

    We should also always keep the following in mind as well in mentioning the Saudi royals: “We, the Saudi family are cousins of the Jews. We entirely disagree with any Arab or Muslim Authority which shows any antagonism to the Jews; but we must live together with them in peace. Our country (Arabia) is the Fountain head from where the first Jew sprang, and his descendants spread out all over the world.” – King Faisal http://defence.pk/threads/the-origin-and-historical-background-of-saudi-royal-family.375044/

  15. “Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
    ““[The Yinon plan] is an Israeli strategic plan to ensure Israeli regional superiority. It insists and stipulates that Israel must reconfigure its geo-political environment through the balkanization of the surrounding Arab states into smaller and weaker states.

    Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge from an Arab state. This is why Iraq was outlined as the centerpiece to the balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab World. In Iraq, on the basis of the concepts of the Yinon Plan, Israeli strategists have called for the division of Iraq into a Kurdish state and two Arab states, one for Shiite Muslims and the other for Sunni Muslims. The first step towards establishing this was a war between Iraq and Iran, which the Yinon Plan discusses.” http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

  16. @Hermann:

    “That’s why you are looking for a state eugenics program to bring it back.”

    Aryanization is NOT the same thing as eugenics. Eugenics programs are usually built upon a racist and ignoble world view, where non-’whites’ are sterilized for not being ‘white’, and those deemed physically and mentally unfit are sterilized for being ‘unfit’.

    “Three Generations of Idiots is Enough:” Supreme Court Upholds Involuntary Sterilization http://todayinclh.com/?event=three-generations-of-imbeciles-is-enough

    Forced Sterilization and America’s Quest for Racial Purity.

    Further reading: “MORONS, IMBECILES, and IDIOTS” – Campbell M Gold

    Aryanization only aims to stop the reproduction of ignoble types first and foremost. Basically, all the types of people who would advocate the eugenics as written above would fall into the ignoble category, and would be separated from society so that they are unable to reproduce. “Whites” who refuse to abandon their “whiteness” for example, would also fall into that category.

    This is also why you and your ilk will never be welcome here.

  17. RY says:

    @Noble Wolf

    >”Aryanization is NOT the same thing as eugenics.”

    ARYANIZATION IS COMPRISED BY EUGENICS; EUGENICS MERELY IS THE SCIENCE OF “GOOD GENERATION”; EUGENICS ITSELF HAS NO IDEOLOGICAL CONNOTATIONS.

  18. @RY:

    Point taken.

    “Basically, all the types of people who would advocate the eugenics as written above would fall into the ignoble category…”

  19. RY says:

    @Noble Wolf

    AH.

    I DID NOT READ THAT; I WAS IMMEDIATELY IMPELLED TO “CORRECT” YOU, SO I STOPPED READING.

  20. Hashtali says:

    @Isaac

    “I often find remarks made by Sunni Muslim against Shia, and it grieves me. But not being Muslim myself (at least in a formal way) I don’t really understand. I know the history somewhat, Ali and all that. But I know that somehow this division must be fought against. Even among my supporters I have both Sunni and Shia.”

    I agree with you that the animosity and fights between the two need to be stopped. On the practical level, as AS pointed out:
    “The dynamic significance of the fact that most of the oil is concentrated in the Middle East is that oil production will almost certainly peak everywhere else prior to peaking in the Middle East. It is reasonable to assume that Israel aims to be in control over all the oil in the Middle East and Africa well before this time; this is likely to be a prime motive of the Greater Israel project, and is consistent with the Zionist invasions of Iraq, Libya and Azawad as well as ongoing Zionist attempts to destabilize Syria and Iran, along with the pan-regional Sunni vs Shiite conflicts almost all of which are incited by crypto-Jews infiltrated into both sides. … Our top priority is to obstruct this Jewish strategy.”
    And:
    “Similarly positively, we should imagine Europe as the location where Mohammedanism can be renewed in such a way as to dissolve the Sunni-Shiite false dichotomy. (A similar Gnostic approach would work just as well for Mohammedanism as for Christianity.) As a region where many new Muslims are young converts from a wide variety of backgrounds, Europe offers by far the best potential environment for Mohammedanism to separate from tradition and return to its original pure condition. Thus, in radical opposition to the Zionist tactic of encouraging Europe to shun Mohammedanism, we must more than merely defend Mohammedanism in Europe – we must offer a vision of Europe as the continent that will intellectually lead Mohammedanism in the future.”
    http://aryanism.net/politics/geopolitics/

    As for approaching the conflict from a moral and religious level, I made a comment a while back about this on Facebook:
    “I have recently seen comments from others on Facebook pitting Sunni against Shia and Shia against Sunni. For a movement which champions UNITY THROUGH NOBILITY, this is quite disappointing. Accusations of ignobility and various other faults on either group miss the point when some of the greatest Muslim leaders, like Nasser and Gaddafi among many others, have been Sunni, while other great Muslim leaders, like Khomeini and Nasrallah among many others, have been Shia. The defining traits of a Muslim are not his belief that Ali was or was not the immediate successor of Mohammed. Rather they are the maintenance of the Five Pillars and belief as outlined in the Shahada: “There is none worthy of worship but God, and Mohammed is His Messenger.”
    There is no mention of Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthma, Ali, or anybody else other than God and Mohammed in the Shahada. Regardless of who you believe was the just successor of Mohammed, others should not be denounced for not sharing this belief – it is not essential. Rather Muslims should be united around their belief in God and their following of Mohammed. If you disagree with another Muslim, correct him and explain why you think he is mistaken instead of denouncing him as a Muslim (unless his character truly proves him to not be one, of course). (Note also that not all Sunni or all Shia partake in traditions particular to their group. For example, the bloody self-flagellations of the Day of Ashura, which I also disagree with, are banned in Iran by the Ayatollah and banned in Lebanon by Hezbollah.)
    Judging Sunni Muslims or Shia Muslims by the beliefs and actions of individuals in Riyadh or London, regardless of how influential they are, is the way to disunity. It is indeed not very different from the ethnically and religiously divisive politics which are poisoning Europe and Western countries more generally right now, and both can be summed up easily in the words DIVIDE AND CONQUER. As Ayatollah Khomeini put it: “We Muslims are busy bickering over whether to fold or unfold our arms during prayer while the enemy is devising ways of cutting them off.”
    Rather you should seek the best among either group and let the corrupt ones rot (and perhaps help them rot faster).”
    Other than this, if a Sunni has a disagreement with a Shia’s practice, or vice versa, they can dispute it. For example, your Sunni friend should point out what about Hezbollah’s beliefs are shirk rather than simply calling names, and then you can dispute. Anything short of that simply plays into the divide and conquer strategy, and should be regarded as no better than what the far-right are doing.

    Also, a detailed article on the topic:
    http://www.maskofzion.com/2010/11/baghdad-cathedral-massacre-zionist.html

    @NW and RY

    AS expanded on his earlier point why Aryanization in a blog comment a while back:
    “The Greek “eu-” refers not to MORAL good but merely to EXPEDIENT good (this is why moral government was referred to as “aristocracy” and not “eucracy”). … A “eugenos” is a “good” race in the sense that it is an EASY race: a race that finds it easy to survive under natural selection.”
    http://aryanism.net/blog/hashtali/facebook-impostor/comment-page-1/#comment-120684

  21. Each one teach one as they say.

  22. @Hashtali – Thank you for everything you wrote. It is VERY helpful. I look forward to working towards unity both amongst Muslims and amongst Christians, and ultimately between them both, and others of similar noble mindsets.

  23. Andalucian Warrior says:

    >and those deemed physically and mentally unfit are sterilized for being ‘unfit’.

    You people are fucking idiots

  24. Hermann says:

    “We do not believe the racial origins of Western Civilization lie in the Golden Age, but among European non-Aryan populations. I would argue that Giant (i.e. Gentile) blood memory to some extent has more to do with the West than Pelasgian (i.e. Turanian) blood memory, but debating the proportions is not relevant to my point; what is relevant is understanding that the West is not Aryan.”

    The origins of WC lie in both Aryan and non Aryan populations, since that is their genetic makeup. It’s not one or the other. You are right that it can hardly be called an “Aryan origin”, but then again nothing can, so why single it out? Because it has more power? If the West goes, somebody else will pick up that slack, and we both know they won’t be Aryans either.

    “We are not “looking” for a state eugenics program or for any eugenics program. There is a whole section on this issue here:
    http://aryanism.net/politics/population-and-demographics/
    You’re sure you’ve read our material?”

    Why are you so hung up on words? You know what I mean, and I read that whole page so I know what you mean as well. You want to breed back Aryan traits via use of state force. To me that is an eugenics program. Not sure what else to call it.

    “Seriously? Do I have to quote passages from a page that I linked in my last response? Can you not read it yourself? Here it is again:
    http://aryanism.net/politics/foundations-of-the-true-left/western-civilization-must-die/

    You can’t kill a civilization without killing its people. The people ARE the civilization. What you can do is remove Jewish and, ultimately, non Aryan influence on the civilization. Is this what you mean? Because I get the impression you want a lot of people in the West to die.

    “Presuming you mean “barbarity” rather than “barbary”, yes, I’m quite aware of it (and it was covered in the Aryan Diffusion Series too). But, for one, Western Civilization is infinitely worse, something you don’t seem to have seen (as AS accurately described in the page linked above: “This is Western civilization: a giant surround-sound stereo system that amplifies the volume of constantly blasting trumpets so as to easily drown out all the screams of numberless victims whose pain is what drives the motor that powers the stereo system.”). Also, Western Civilization is also responsible, directly or indirectly, for many of those barbarities.
    We’re not ones to turn a blind eye to the injustices of non-Westerners, but for some reason far-rightists only have a problem when we point out that the West has no idea what justice is.”

    The only real difference I see between the west and the rest of the world is the degree of power to enforce their will and the Jewish influence on that will. Which stems from their higher intelligence and creativity, which builds mighty nations and attracts Jews. I don’t see a single shred of evidence that other parts of the world are more moral. If there is a difference in that regard it is the opposite, or simply due to lack of Jewish influence.

    “No, I’m not, and I don’t see which of my words even implied this.”

    Well, then wouldn’t the best place to bring back Aryans be where their blood runs the strongest?

    “No, it’s not, which is why I don’t never claimed equal distribution. If we divide humanity along any non-racial lines, we’re bound to find inequality between groups. For example, if we were to divide people like Marxists do, it might turn out that the “bourgeois”, the “proles”, or the “peasantry” have different percentages of people with Aryan traits. But I’m not going to ask the group with the highest percentage of Aryans to not associate with the group with the lowest percentage. That’s counterproductive and indeed a recipe for disaster, as are any other arbitrary, non-racial distinctions, which is why I don’t take anybody seriously if they believe we should favor one group over another in this way. (Son of Troy also covered this topic here: https://trueleftblog.wordpress.com/2015/09/30/identity-versus-personality/)
    Also, the existence of inequality in now way implies “whites” are at the top of the ladder. The fact they produced Western Civilization puts them somewhere at the bottom, somewhere around Jews.”

    I didn’t say you should favor one group, I said you should look to preserve Aryan traits where you can. And today that means preserving Europe, maybe America.

    If we are talking about physical, mental and moral traits it seems obvious to me that some white populations have this far more than others. Coincidentally those with the lightest features. But then again I thought it was common knowledge to people who think of Hitler as a hero that the original Aryan was a blue eyed, fair hair.

    “Clearly, you must have been reading something else, because no such claim was made there. Also, there is no such thing as a “white” Aryan, as covered here:
    “As a matter of fact, since “white” is the name of a Gentile tribe, the notion of a “white Aryan” is as oxymoronic as the notion of a “Jewish Aryan”. No self-respecting Aryan would ever want to associate with “whiteness”, a racist concept created by the British Empire and other colonial powers for the purpose of segregating the colonists from the colonized populations (in the same way that the concept of Jewishness was created to keep Jews distinct from non-Jews wherever Jews have lived among non-Jews),….”
    http://aryanism.net/politics/white-nationalists/
    So I don’t see how most Aryan thinkers and writers could have been “white”….
    Please, no more trolling.”

    Yes, I’ve gathered that you don’t like the word white, and I understand why. I prefer Aryan myself, which is why I put the word in quotation marks. The only point I was trying to make is that Aryans are light of skin, meaning their traits run the strongest in white populations. They are in effect the least mixed Aryans left. Not every individual, but the populations as a whole. So it’s no surprise to see that most Aryan thinkers are what our governments today would deem “white”.

    “What I’m opposed to is people who believe “whites” are the most Aryan people on Earth stopping other people from moving where they want to. Such people not only lack empathy, but also would effectively be stopping more Aryan types from coming into my neighborhood, while also using eugenics programs to the reproductive advantage of non-Aryan “whites” over Aryans. And since they’ve completely misunderstood our ideology, such people would laud themselves as the champions of Aryanism because of their actions, thus spoiling any attraction genuine Aryans might have had for us.”

    Why? They obviously are. Who do you think are the most Aryan? Most westerners (or in case you misunderstand again, Aryans living in the geographical area called the west) are positive to refugees. The Jews know they can play on empathy in the West, because the people there have much of it. If you think there is massive resistance towards immigration in Europe and America I can only conclude you are living in fantasy land. The LACK of resistance is exactly the problem!

    Do you know what will spoil the Aryan cause? By giving the Jews what they want. That’s what you are promoting. Give the Jews what they want. Immigration to Europe by non Aryans. A few individuals does not change the fact that these masses of refugees are very non Aryan.

  25. Hermann says:

    “Aryanization is NOT the same thing as eugenics. Eugenics programs are usually built upon a racist and ignoble world view, where non-’whites’ are sterilized for not being ‘white’, and those deemed physically and mentally unfit are sterilized for being ‘unfit’.”

    Usually, but that has nothing to do with the meaning of the word. It’s like saying guns means criminal because usually it’s a criminal that commits a crime with it. Eugenics simply means to promote good genes, and that’s what you are looking to do.

    “Aryanization only aims to stop the reproduction of ignoble types first and foremost. Basically, all the types of people who would advocate the eugenics as written above would fall into the ignoble category, and would be separated from society so that they are unable to reproduce. “Whites” who refuse to abandon their “whiteness” for example, would also fall into that category.”

    What exactly does “abandon whiteness” mean to you? Are we just talking melanin or are we talking mental outlook?

    “This is also why you and your ilk will never be welcome here.”

    You have no idea what my ilk is. All I can say is that your assumptions about me have been wildy off base from the start. And acting on that assumption like it was the cold hard truth is hardly what I’d call Aryan. You do know that you are not a pure Aryan, don’t you? You do know that there are non Aryan genes affecting your mind, right?

  26. Hashtali says:

    “The origins of WC lie in both Aryan and non Aryan populations, since that is their genetic makeup. It’s not one or the other.”

    It is one or the other. Yes, there are multiple races which influenced the present genepool in the regions dominated by WC, but WC itself is a product of specific racial types, all of which are non-Aryan. There are Aryan movements which sprung up in WC-dominated territory (National Socialism being a prime example), but these are anti-Western.

    “Why are you so hung up on words? You know what I mean, and I read that whole page so I know what you mean as well.”

    Given you believe the West is the most Aryan region of the globe, I’m quite sure we don’t mean the same thing when we use different words. Hence you using “eugenics” and me “Aryanization” is key.

    “You want to breed back Aryan traits via use of state force. To me that is an eugenics program. Not sure what else to call it.”

    Aryanization (as discussed on the page….).

    “You can’t kill a civilization without killing its people. The people ARE the civilization. What you can do is remove Jewish and, ultimately, non Aryan influence on the civilization. Is this what you mean? Because I get the impression you want a lot of people in the West to die.”

    Everybody will die. What we want is to make sure that people who support WC do not reproduce. The means are a different topic.

    “The only real difference I see between the west and the rest of the world is the degree of power to enforce their will and the Jewish influence on that will. Which stems from their higher intelligence and creativity, which builds mighty nations and attracts Jews. I don’t see a single shred of evidence that other parts of the world are more moral. If there is a difference in that regard it is the opposite, or simply due to lack of Jewish influence.”

    1) The degree of power to enforce that will is not pure accident. It’s in significant ways a sign of the power-hungry nature of WC.
    2) The ability of Jews to thrive in the West is a sign of WC’s ignobility. Jews could not thrive in an Aryan society (for reference, see the Third Reich).

    “Well, then wouldn’t the best place to bring back Aryans be where their blood runs the strongest?”

    In the short-term sense or in the long-term sense?

    “I didn’t say you should favor one group, I said you should look to preserve Aryan traits where you can. And today that means preserving Europe, maybe America.”

    How does breeding based on ethnicity rather than on individual phenotype lead to Aryanization? And how does it not favor one group?

    “But then again I thought it was common knowledge to people who think of Hitler as a hero that the original Aryan was a blue eyed, fair hair.”

    This is common knowledge to people who believe ZC propaganda about Hitler….

    “The only point I was trying to make is that Aryans are light of skin”

    How so?

    “Who do you think are the most Aryan?”

    Ethnicity-wise, I have no opinion on the matter, nor do I think it’s relevant.

    “By giving the Jews what they want. That’s what you are promoting. Give the Jews what they want. Immigration to Europe by non Aryans.”

    To what end are Jews promoting this? How does it benefit them?

    “A few individuals does not change the fact that these masses of refugees are very non Aryan.”

    Prove to me that most refugees are “very non Aryan”, especially more so than “whites”.

  27. @AW:

    “You people are fucking idiots”

    Please, by all means speak your mind, I’m in the mood to play.

    @Hermann:

    “What exactly does “abandon whiteness” mean to you? Are we just talking melanin or are we talking mental outlook?”

    It means abandoning identitarianism, and in some cases false nationalism.

    “You do know that you are not a pure Aryan, don’t you? You do know that there are non Aryan genes affecting your mind, right?”

    I’m very aware of this and work on myself daily.

    “You can’t kill a civilization without killing its people. The people ARE the civilization. What you can do is remove Jewish and, ultimately, non Aryan influence on the civilization. Is this what you mean? Because I get the impression you want a lot of people in the West to die.”

    You’re not paying attention.

    “Scientists estimate that 150-200 species of plant, insect, bird and mammal become extinct every 24 hours. This is nearly 1,000 times the “natural” or “background” rate and, say many biologists, is greater than anything the world has experienced since the vanishing of the dinosaurs nearly 65m years ago.”

    http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/biodiversity/elements_of_biodiversity/extinction_crisis/

    One of many examples…

  28. John Johnson says:

    @Hermann

    “I didn’t claim the white race was homogeneous, I said the original Aryans were.”

    My point is that Aryans and “whites” are completely separate races/ethnic groups. Aryans are not a subgroup of “whites”–they are a completely independent group lacking “whiteness”.

    Moreover, it is likely that groups which evolved via selective pressure from a farming lifestyle (i.e. groups with Aryan traits) arose independently multiple times. You can refer to the Aryan Diffusion series for the historical evidence of this.

    “It would make sense for the race that traveled the most and created the most attractive societies to be the most mixed.”

    The Paleolithic “whites” who mixed with Neanderthals did not travel outside of Europe. “Non-white” Aryans brought civilization to “white European” cave men, not the other way around. Aryans have no fundamental kinship with Europeans and Aryan admixture with non-Europeans is not an injection of “white” blood into “non-white” populations.

    “No coincidence in what way?”

    The “lightest” and “whitest” countries are genetically the least Aryan. WN fetishism for “lightness” and “northernliness” is an expression of their Paleolithic blood memory.

    “If we are talking about physical, mental and moral traits it seems obvious to me that some white populations have this far more than others. Coincidentally those with the lightest features.”

    The lightest pigmentation in Europe is correlated with Paleolithic/non-Aryan blood.

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uQ9v5UG7myY/U40R9qcItxI/AAAAAAAABrs/zXUx4BTiBc0/s1600/blond_hair_map1.jpg
    http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Neolithic_Europe-blood.jpg

    Noble cultural elements in northern countries are not caused by pigmentation.

    “The only point I was trying to make is that Aryans are light of skin, meaning their traits run the strongest in white populations. They are in effect the least mixed Aryans left. Not every individual, but the populations as a whole.”

    Did you miss my post where anthropologists and race theorists are discussing the incredible diversity within “white” populations? It’s difficult to imagine why such a mixed population would somehow cause Aryans to become more pure than elsewhere on the planet.

    Also, do you believe light-skinned Japanese are more “Aryan” than dark-skinned Europeans?

    “I still don’t see how promoting the growth of non Aryan traits to be bringing us closer to the golden age.”

    That is because you still see Western civilization and “whiteness” as Aryan traits.

    “How does it fare compared to the rest of the world though? Have you seen the barbary that goes on?”

    Considering for the past 500 years Western civilization spread its colonial atrocities across the globe (and in the present day is responsible for spreading Zionism), I’d say Western civilization is morally faring much worse than anywhere else.

    “Are you really taking the line of Aryan traits being equally distributed in all the ethnicities of the world?”

    No. The reason why Western civilization has produced the world’s most ignoble civilization is precisely because of high levels of non-Aryan blood. Western civilization has flourished in spite of Aryan influence, not because of it.

    The majority of people in Europe (and your neighborhood) are already non-Aryan, but they’re “white”–so you don’t care.

    “You can’t kill a civilization without killing its people. The people ARE the civilization.”

    Very few societal collapses were caused by an apocalyptic death of the population. This is why people still speak Latin-based languages despite the destruction of Rome, why Egypt was still populated during Roman and Islamic times, and why Incan blood still runs in the veins of South Americans despite their civilization’s utter destruction.

    WNs who escalate ethnic tensions and advocate for “race war” are the ones who want innocent people to die. We are trying to stop them.

    “Do you know what will spoil the Aryan cause? By giving the Jews what they want. That’s what you are promoting.”

    If you read our material, you would know that we have multiple pages discussing why reactionaries like you are the ones who are playing into the Jewish cause. You are free to criticize our ideas, but we quite thoroughly spell out our reasoning behind them. You are getting abrasive responses because instead of criticizing our reasoning, you are making us rehash things which are clearly addressed in the writings on the mainsite.

    http://aryanism.net/politics/multiethnic-society/
    http://aryanism.net/politics/multiethnic-society/is-race-the-new-class/
    http://aryanism.net/politics/white-nationalists/

  29. John Johnson says:

    @Isaac
    “A Shia friend of mine says it is a Wahabi/Zionist plot to divide Muslims.”

    https://themuslimvibe.com/featured/worlds-worst-kept-secret-why-saudi-is-following-israeli-policy-on-sectarianism

    @AS
    “This is Western civilization: a giant surround-sound stereo system that amplifies the volume of constantly blasting trumpets so as to easily drown out all the screams of numberless victims whose pain is what drives the motor that powers the stereo system.”

    Since the above was quoted here, I thought I’d point out this cartoon has a similar theme:
    http://thinkpress.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/latuff-the-palestinian-right-to-exist.jpg

  30. @JJ – Thanks for that link. Very informative. Also learned a lot from reading the Geopolitics article and many of Mask of Zion’s articles too.

  31. AS says:

    @JJ

    “WN fetishism for “lightness” and “northernliness” is an expression of their Paleolithic blood memory.”

    It might not be quite so simple. One theory claims that it was the switch to Neolithic diet which selected for lighter skin in high latitudes:

    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/03/new-diet-sexual-attraction-may-have-spurred-europeans-lighter-skin

    In the case of skin color, the team speculates that these populations, which represented early farmers, had previously received a lot of vitamin D from their food, such as vitamin D-rich fish and animal livers, when they were hunter-gatherers. But after the advent of farming, when grains such as wheat and barley became a major part of their dinner plates, early Europeans needed to synthesize a larger amount of vitamin D in their skins. That’s when lightening up became very advantageous. The study “provides evidence that loss of regular dietary vitamin D as a result of the transition to a more strongly agricultural lifestyle may have triggered” the evolution of lighter skin

    As for the trend toward lighter colored hair and blue eyes, Thomas and his co-workers suggest that may be due to sexual attraction—what in evolutionary terms is called sexual selection. If so, then the originally rare males or females with light hair and blue eyes might have been attractive to the opposite sex and so had more offspring;

    If this theory is correct, then your statement about WN fetishism for “lightness” being of Paleolithic origin would apply only to hair and eyes, not to skin. And indeed from my observation, WNs indeed tend to emphasize hair and eye pigmentation considerably more than skin pigmentation (or else they would have included other light-skinned populations into the “white” category long ago).

    In latitudes with more abundant sunlight, the switch to Neolithic diet would not have spurred selection for lighter skin, so it is certainly the case that skin pigmentation is no indication of Aryan influence generally (ie. Hermann is still wrong). But in latitudes with less abundant sunlight, I suggest being open to the possibility that the Neolithic diet had something to do with the spread of lighter skin. In fact I personally would prefer this to be true, as it would strengthen the case for the Neolithic diet really being vegan, and hence for the truth of the Golden Age myths.

  32. AS:

    From the link you provided:

    …this kind of sexual preference for individuals with unusual appearances has been confirmed in other animals, such as guppies.

    Of course, in some of today’s cultures, a summer tan is also considered sexy, and here the study may provide some positive news: Modern variants of HERC2 can also make it easier to turn one’s skin golden brown in the sun.

    I am blonde haired, blue-eyed, Western European. My tan makes me darker than many ethnically ‘mixed’ people who don’t spend a lot of time in the sun, and I certainly have my fair share of Paleolithic genes. “This kind of sexual preference for individuals with unusual appearances”, that being the real reason for ethnic mixing I think, which WN’s fear even more than a ‘black’ person moving in next door. I would agree with JJ, I am personal witness to more non-European peoples expressing more Aryan traits than what I have seen among Europeans peoples, and that just from scouring the net.

  33. Hashtali says:

    @NW
    “This kind of sexual preference for individuals with unusual appearances”, that being the real reason for ethnic mixing I think”

    The real reason differs from case to case, but I believe love for another as an individual is no less a significant reason for “ethnic mixing” than fetishism for the exotic.

  34. @Hashtali:

    Excellent point!

    Love for an individual regardless of fetishism certainly is in short supply in WC, and could never be found in any WN movement, that is for sure.

  35. John Johnson says:

    @AS
    “And indeed from my observation, WNs indeed tend to emphasize hair and eye pigmentation considerably more than skin pigmentation (or else they would have included other light-skinned populations into the “white” category long ago).”

    Other articles about the study you linked emphasize that these dark-skinned hunters had light eyes, so you might be on to something.

    (This article also says European hunters were unable to digest starch before farmers came to Europe!)
    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-25885519

    One of the most influential recent studies (certainly within HBD circles) on the evolution of light pigmentation in northern Europe suggested light hair and eyes evolved quickly due to the high death rate of hunters in the northern tundras (which intensified the effects of sexual selection/preference for light hair/eyes). The author also suggests skin color may have been affected by this process as well, but has less evidence. Remember that most of northern Europe was covered by glaciers until the Neolithic era, so perhaps the introduction of farming provided a catalyst for the “lightening” of Paleolithic northerners, which had already (slowly) begun due to their aesthetic preferences?

    http://cogweb.ucla.edu/ep/Frost_06.html

    “But in latitudes with less abundant sunlight, I suggest being open to the possibility that the Neolithic diet had something to do with the spread of lighter skin. In fact I personally would prefer this to be true, as it would strengthen the case for the Neolithic diet really being vegan, and hence for the truth of the Golden Age myths.”

    I believe this theory is indeed true (e.g. the Inuit have relatively dark skin, despite living above the arctic circle, due to their hunting/fishing lifestyle; and the isolated reindeer-herding Saami of northern Scandinavia historically had darker skin than ethnic Swedes and Norwegians). I am willing to admit that the prehistoric change in skin color could have been rather complex, but I believe contemporary WNs who love pale skin ultimately like it for a similar reason as their ancestors liked light hair/eyes.

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