It has begun, and the good guys still aren’t armed yet…..

This is what they are doing:

President Donald Trump’s deportation force promise may be coming true.

Over the last five days, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents conducted what they call an “enforcement surge” in the Los Angeles area, arresting more than 160 undocumented immigrants. Immigrants’ rights groups and lawyers told The Daily Beast that ICE also increased its enforcement activities—including, in some cases, in apartment buildings—in a number of cities around the country, including Atlanta, Phoenix, Charlotte, and Austin.

“The muscle to do this kind of stuff is here—it’s just that the leash has been taken off,” said Sarah Owings, an immigration attorney in Atlanta. “They’re out and they’re hunting.”

And how is our side reacting? (*cringe alert*)

The protesters — chanting “Justice!” and “Power to the people, no one is illegal!” — were arrested shortly after 9 p.m. after they blocked the gates surrounding ICE’s offices in an attempt to prevent vans and a bus from exiting, according to The Associated Press.

The time for chanting is over. Rehabs deporting people is initiated violence, and you do not stop violence using chanting. (If that actually worked, every country in the world would send soldiers into battle armed with karaoke machines instead of assault rifles, and earplugs instead of body armour. They don’t. Why not?)

Chanting is merely an expression of your feelings. If chanting is what you want to do, do it at friendly rallies among the like-minded or at least the open-minded:

not in front of hostile Rehabs who do not care one fucking iota about your feelings. If they cared, surely they would start by caring about the feelings of their victims themselves, and hence refuse to deport them in the first place! Since they don’t even care about the feelings of their victims, you think they would care about the feelings of random protesters like you?

The Rehabs at most care only about their own safety. When it is made sufficiently unsafe to their own lives for them to deport people, they will stop deporting people. It is that simple. The Second Amendment was written to give conscientious armed civilians an easy way to make tyrannical Feds unsafe. And this means not just keeping firearms inside your home, but actually using them for what they were designed to be used for (by which I obviously don’t mean hunting animals…..). More from the first article:

she said she knows of two apartment complexes with high concentrations of Latino residents where ICE officers went door-to-door looking for specific individuals. When people opened their doors, Owings said, the ICE officers would ask everyone present to show proof that they were in the United States legally.

“They’re picking up and rounding up anyone they can get,” she said.

If Rehabs turn up where you live, not only should you never open your door for them at all, but you should open fire with your rifle long before they even reach either your door or any of your neighbours’ doors. This is how Palestinians react to the IDF, and for good reason. If enough apartment complexes were willing to do this in retaliation to being raided, Trump will run out of willing Rehabs long before American civilians run out of ammunition.

And Bob Libal, the executive director of Grassroots Leadership—a group based in Austin that opposes immigrant detention and deportation—said he suspected the agency may have targeted Austin because of frustration over the county sheriff’s recently announced refusal to comply with ICE’s detainer requests.

Good on the sheriff. But is this sheriff willing to open fire on the Rehabs, and to actively call on his entire local community to do the same? If not, then I am sorry to tell him in advance that, despite his good intentions, he will not be successful in protecting those whom he wishes to protect. Only retaliatory violence can protect people against initiated violence.

You let them get away with deporting people a vanload at a time without consequence and eventually they will deport tens of millions. You let them test, prove effective, practice and - most importantly - psychopolitically normalize their physical techniques of forcibly rounding up and deporting refugees/undocumented:

this particular surge worries activists because it’s happening in so many cities around the country at the same time and in the wake of Trump’s executive order. Some Hill Democrats worry this could be the new normal, he added.

and eventually they will apply the exact same techniques to green card holders, naturalized citizens and, yes, ultimately even citizens born in the US so long as they are of the “wrong” ethnicity, “wrong” religion or “wrong” politics. That has always been the far-right plan. You think I’m exaggerating? Here is Steve Bannon on the subject:

“what is it, 61 million? Isn’t the beating heart of this problem, the real beating heart of it, of what we gotta get sorted here, not illegal immigration?” Bannon asked Miller. “As horrific as that is, and it’s horrific, don’t we have a problem? We’ve looked the other way on this legal immigration that’s kinda overwhelmed the country? When you look and there’s got 61 million, 20 percent of the country, is immigrants — is that not a massive problem?”

Go on the Alt-Right blogs and they go way further than Bannon, regularly talking about not only getting rid of the Fourteenth Amendment but revoking citizenships granted by it in the past (unless of course these citizenships were granted to “whites”). This is something people have to understand about the far-right: yielding to them on an apparently standalone issue (in this case, so-called ”illegal” immigration) will not satisfy them, but will only prompt them to move onto their next demand, and then the next one after that, all the way until the ending of the Turner Diaries becomes reality. The only way to stop them is to stop yielding to them.

Anyone with common sense knows what this is really about:

“This has nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with kicking people of color out of our country,” Ybarra Maldonado said, calling the order “a complete sham.”

she was permitted to stay under the condition that she check in at the local ICE field office periodically, at first once a year and later every six months.

When it came time for her latest appointment this Tuesday, Ybarra Maldonado said, “No facts in her case [were] any different than the last time she checked in. The only difference is the executive order and the new president.”

We supported Baja Arizona’s peaceful attempt at secession from the rest of Arizona all the way back in 2011:

Still don’t believe we are damned good at predicting the future?

long before there was Trump, García said, “the suffering of this family began with Sheriff Arpaio and his worksite raids.”

Unfortunately this peaceful secession attempt failed, and now people remain vulnerable:

As for other clients who may have their own ICE dates looming, Ybarra Maldonado said, “my advice to them is going to be, ‘Let’s look for a sanctuary — a church that might want to take you in,’” instead.

“It’s no fun walking someone to the slaughter,” he said.

OK, but these sanctuaries need to be defended with firearms in order to be effective. You would think people have to understand this by now. “Sanctuaries” aren’t real sanctuaries so long as the Rehabs are still able to drag people from them without being shot in response. Compare with the no-go zones they have in France – those are closer to being real sanctuaries (though still underprepared, in my opinion):

Indeed, the best form of defence is offence. The locals know where the ICE office is. Why didn’t they bring along their rifles when they went to “protest” there? All Americans by now know what Trump’s head looks like, and what Bannon’s head looks like, and what Miller’s head looks like, and what Sessions’ head look like, and so on. Will they understand before it is too late what the Second Amendment intended for armed American civilians to put through heads like these?

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7 Responses to It has begun, and the good guys still aren’t armed yet…..

  1. Lucius Rhine says:

    I feel a false-left backlash brewing. This one is a new tactic, from what I’ve seen. They’re becoming very tricky.

  2. Atmajyoti says:

    Interestingly I am now in danger of being deported from America, as my green-card just expired this month, and I haven’t had the time to renew it yet.

    “If we let them get away with this, what’s next?”, should be the only questions anti-Trump people should be asking themselves at this point, I totally agree.

  3. AS says:

    Republicans used to say they were against illegal immigrants, not those making their way through the U.S. system in a legal, orderly way. That kinder, gentler rhetoric is now a thing of the past.

    Now that the GOP controls all levers of power in Washington the sugar-coated rhetoric employed during Congress’ last immigration debate is giving way to a raw anti-immigrant stance

    “They say, ‘We’re in jeopardy of losing our identity’ – our identity as a country which is majority white. That’s what they’re really talking about and they express it,” Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) told The Daily Beast. “It’s part of their xenophobia, it’s partly their anti-immigrant and it’s showing their real colors.”

    “They’re going to continue to go piecemeal, but it’s all going to be one kind of piecemeal: It’s all going to be very aggressive, anti-immigrant enforcement legislation,” Gutierrez continued before he added the GOP’s trying to scare immigrants out of the U.S.



    As leader of PACPO, you are the one whom people need to see proposing solutions rather than just awareness. PACPO’s blog should be filled with ideas about what ordinary people in various positions up and down the country can DO in daily life to counter Trump on a grassroots level. What can local police do? What can the military do? What can militias do? What can lawyers do? What can local government do? What can schools do? What can churches do? What can charities do? What can farms do? What can the gun industry do? What can artists and media people do? What can transport people do? What can employers do? What can employees do? What can unemployed people do? The list is endless. Make people aware of how the particular position they occupy in society is uniquely important, and can be turned into its own way to block Trump, and how all these ways can strengthen one another and produce force multiplication.

    Ever since Trump’s inauguration, I have been blogging here basically in the example of how I wish PACPO could be blogging on its site. (If you want to repost any of my recent posts on the PACPO blog, or even stuff from my recent comments such as the sanctuary cities confirmations, or mentions of individuals such as Yates, Fukumoto, Robart, Warren, etc., you are welcome to do so.) But the last thing I want is for my blogging here to make PACPO think that I have it covered(!!!), and therefore PACPO doesn’t need(!!!) to cover it also. What would be much better is if PACPO is producing new blog posts on American topics more regularly than, and also garners more numerous and higher-quality comments, ideally with commenters adding ideas of their own, or offering improvements and/or additional detail to your ideas. Even the most casual visitors to the PACPO site has to see that it is a living and building community in order to want to become part of that community themselves and, even more importantly, to recommend it to others, and thus create an exponentiation of membership. Only thus will PACPO grow at the pace it needs to in order to make a difference before it is too late.

    This is what OFA is doing:

    What is PACPO doing that will make leftists think: “Why join OFA when I can join PACPO?”


    “Interestingly I am now in danger of being deported from America, as my green-card just expired this month, and I haven’t had the time to renew it yet.”

    I am quite confident that ICE won’t presume you are “illegal” just by seeing you on the street, though. And we all know why they won’t.

    ““If we let them get away with this, what’s next?”, should be the only questions anti-Trump people should be asking themselves at this point, I totally agree.”

    What disgusts me are how many legal immigrants, instead of realizing that they are next on the list to be targeted for deportation (never mind feeling genuine empathy for those currently facing deportation), think that by parading their over-the-top cruelty towards refugees/undocumented in online comments combined with loud declarations that they themselves are legal immigrants, they can somehow as a group get into the good graces of rightists and be accepted among them. This is a well-known pattern of behaviour that we used to observe in other forms even in the old days, and which has been a subject of private discussions in the past. Here is an excerpt:

    The worst manifestation of this is when medium-toned-skin racists want their ethnicity to be accepted as “white”, and the way they go about it is by being ostentatiously racist towards darker-toned-skin people than themselves when “white” racists are watching, as if doing so will make themselves appear “whiter”. There are also more ‘scholarly’ approaches, for example, many Vanavasis, Zarzians, Capsians, etc. are really enthusiastic about promoting the category “Caucasoid” because this puts themselves in the same category as “whites”, whereas many Fuxishis are really enthusiastic about promoting the “cold climate superiority” theory because this puts themselves in the same category as “whites”. It all comes down to the same Eurocentrism-induced inferiority complex.

  4. Atmajyoti says:


    “I am quite confident that ICE won’t presume you are “illegal” just by seeing you on the street, though. And we all know why they won’t.”

    Indeed! It’ll certainly strengthen my argument against “whites” if they don’t, however.

    @Abu Haydar:

    If you’re still around, perhaps he can be made to see the error in his ways?

  5. John Johnson says:

    “If we let them get away with this, what’s next?”

    Liberals are too caught up in their notion of “infinite progress” to admit it, but I think we all know what’s next:

    “They say, ‘We’re in jeopardy of losing our identity’ – our identity as a country which is majority white. That’s what they’re really talking about and they express it,” Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) told The Daily Beast. “It’s part of their xenophobia, it’s partly their anti-immigrant and it’s showing their real colors.”

    Yep, many rightists want to bring back the old Anglo-centric and Nordicist immigration quotas from the early 20th century:

    These laws were slightly updated in the 1950s. The sponsor of the 1950s act, Pat McCarran, said:

    “I believe that this nation is the last hope of Western civilization and if this oasis of the world shall be overrun, perverted, contaminated or destroyed, then the last flickering light of humanity will be extinguished. I take no issue with those who would praise the contributions which have been made to our society by people of many races, of varied creeds and colors. … However, we have in the United States today hard-core, indigestible blocs which have not become integrated into the American way of life, but which, on the contrary are its deadly enemies. Today, as never before, untold millions are storming our gates for admission and those gates are cracking under the strain. The solution of the problems of Europe and Asia will not come through a transplanting of those problems en masse to the United States. … I do not intend to become prophetic, but if the enemies of this legislation succeed in riddling it to pieces, or in amending it beyond recognition, they will have contributed more to promote this nation’s downfall than any other group since we achieved our independence as a nation.”
    (Sound familiar?)

    The racist quota system was abolished in the 1960s:

    Ted Kennedy, a proponent of the 1960s law, said “our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. … Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset”. Point one was dubious, but point two was certainly a lie. Rightists who are nostalgic for the 1950s are still bitter about this lie, and deeply believe in McCarran’s prophecy. Leftists are fooling themselves if they believe rightists will stop at anything less than completely scrapping the 1965 immigration law…

    McCarran was unwittingly correct in one aspect, however. WNs are indeed an indigestible bloc which can never be integrated into American society.

  6. AS says:

    Some information about the church sanctuary movement:

    Propelled by President Trump’s campaign rhetoric and the election in November, the number of churches and other houses of worship that have declared themselves sanctuaries for undocumented immigrants like Vizguerra has doubled to an estimated 800 over the past year, according to leaders of the loosely-knit movement.

    Trump’s Jan. 25 executive order calling for a crackdown on the estimated 11 million immigrants living here illegally and the raids that have followed are only serving to galvanize the movement further.

    Legally, sanctuary churches are not likely protected under the First Amendment, said Charles Haynes, vice president of the Religious Freedom Center at the Newseum, since the government would likely claim a compelling state interest.

    Courts, he said, have varied in their interpretations over whether the act of providing sanctuary should be considered harboring or concealment. In 1986 a group of activists tied to a church in Arizona were tried and convicted of conspiracy in a case involving smuggling undocumented immigrants. Criticisms of the movement range from people who consider sanctuary a costly and ultimately ineffective way to help undocumented immigrants to those who say the religious leaders are encouraging illegal activity.

    Haynes noted that civil disobedience, especially among religious people, has been the key to success of almost every significant social movement in American history from abolition to suffrage to civil rights.

    “For many religious people, protecting undocumented people is a matter of conscience — and they are willing to go to jail to live out this conviction,” he said.

    But are they willing to use firearms?

    Even so, the turn the movement will take feels very uncertain under Trump, Salvatierra said. The Department of Homeland Security still lists churches as sensitive locations on its website, but some worry whether ICE will adhere to the policy under Trump.

    However morally compelling it may seem to some as a statement of civil disobedience, sheltering undocumented immigrants can also be costly, both financially and emotionally, especially if it is open-ended. And if there is no hope for reform, where will it end?


    “When we started, we had hopes that the sanctuary movement would change hearts and minds and pass immigration reform,” Salvatierra said. “We took people into sanctuary without an exit strategy because immigration reform was our exit strategy.”


    While still heeding the religious call to offer refuge, Salvatierra said churches may need to turn increasingly toward helping undocumented immigrants snared by ICE to pay for legal help.



    “many rightists want to bring back the old Anglo-centric and Nordicist immigration quotas from the early 20th century:”

    It seems Anglocentrism and Nordicism are a thing of the past in rightist circles. These days Eastern Europeans are considered the most superior by rightists, who judge superiority among “whites” based on how cruelly they treat “non-whites”, Muslims, LGBTs, etc.. So the Emergency Quota Act and 1924 Act would not be entirely to their liking because they limited Eastern European immigrants.

    “point two was certainly a lie”

    Perhaps not. “Ethnic mix will be upset” means something that was initially an ethnic mix is stopped from being an ethnic mix. So “ethnic mix will not be upset” means that something that was initially an ethnic mix will continue to be an ethnic mix. To halt something is to upset it. To hasten something is not to upset it.

    If Ted had said “ethnic ratios/proportions will not be upset”, he would have been lying. But he said “ethnic mix will not be upset”, which is true, strictly speaking! It is possible that Ted carefully chose his words as a private joke for leftists who get it.

    “Leftists are fooling themselves if they believe rightists will stop at anything less than completely scrapping the 1965 immigration law…”

    I agree. And by this rightists imply not only ceasing further immigration according to the 1965 Law, but deporting all immigrants (and their descendants) admitted after 1965 (unless they are “white”, of course). So again I have no idea how all those “legal immigrants” can think they are safe.

    (Notice how all the former fence-sitters who before the election used to say that things would be just as bad under a Clinton administration have now gone silent. EVERYONE knows Clinton, as bad as she is on other issues, would not be doing what Trump is doing now, and anyone who claimed to not know this before the election is lying.)

    Beyond fair treatment of individuals (though this is also important), this struggle is about demographically securing one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world. A world with a US that considers itself part of the New World, and hence closer to the former victims of colonialism, would be very different from a world with a US that considers itself part of Western civilization. We have been moving towards the former world little by little throughout the past decades, and we only need to hold on for only a few more decades for it to become reality. To all visitors out there, help us hold on! This is the future that people of our generation grew up dreaming about, the future that we were PROMISED! We need your help to make it real!

  7. Atmajyoti says:

    @Abu Haydar:

    If you’re still around, perhaps he can be made to see the error in his ways?

    Never-mind, he took it down after-all. Small victory…

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