Anti-Zionist harvest: US Presidential Debate version

So I watched the first Clinton vs Trump debate. The following reviews pretty much summarize how I thought it went as a whole:

http://www.vox.com/2016/9/26/13066698/trump-debate-trade-fact-check

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/26/13067798/trump-clinton-first-debate

http://www.vox.com/2016/9/27/13068420/trump-debate-foreign-policy-hofstra

But my main reason for writing this post is to point out is that, during this debate, Trump was the only candidate who mentioned his good relations with Israel. The word “Israel” was absent from Clinton’s speaking throughout the entire event. This is a superficially insignificant but profoundly seismic rhetorical shift from the standard format in past debates when both ‘opposing’ candidates were guaranteed to each try to outboast the other regarding the importance of Israel as an ally to the US (including when the debate question had nothing to do with Israel). I am guessing Clinton has become aware that a large enough fraction of the Democrat grassroots are now anti-Israel enough - as we have documented previously – that it would be better for her campaign to leave Israel unmentioned unless specifically asked.

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/the-true-left-is-emerging/

A tiny step, admittedly, but we were the ones who made it happen. Now the Democrats need to be rewarded for this shift with election victory in November. This would facilitate us in subsequently pushing the shift even harder, and finally splitting the US two-party system into a pro-Israel (Republican) side and an anti-Israel (Democrat) side and thus a genuine bifurcation in foreign policy vision, as I have long maintained is wholly possible to achieve.

The alternative election outcome would be too disastrous to contemplate:

http://www.france24.com/en/20160925-trump-tells-netanyahu-hell-recognize-jerusalem-israels-undivided-capital

Republican candidate Donald Trump pledged Sunday in a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s “undivided” capital if he is elected president.

Netanyahu met privately with Trump at his residence in Trump Tower a day before the New York billionaire faces off against Democratic rival Hillary Clinton for their first presidential debate.

“Trump acknowledged that Jerusalem has been the eternal capital of the Jewish people for over 3000 years, and that the United States, under a Trump administration, will finally accept the long-standing congressional mandate to recognize Jerusalem as the undivided capital of the state of Israel,” his campaign said in a statement.

Israel captured the Arab eastern half of Jerusalem during the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, and annexed it in 1980, declaring all of Jerusalem Israel’s unified capital.

The United States — and most other UN member countries — do not recognize the annexation and consider Jerusalem’s final status to be a key issue to be resolved in peace negotiations with the Palestinians.

The US Congress passed a law in October 1995 calling for an undivided Jerusalem to be recognized as Israel’s capital and to authorize funding for moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

But no US president — Democrat or Republican — has implemented the law, regarding it as an infringement on the executive branch’s authority over foreign policy.

The Trump statement said he promised Netanyahu that the United States would provide Israel with “extraordinary strategic, technological and military cooperation” if he is elected.

“Mr Trump recognized Israel as a vital partner of the United States in the global war against radical Islamic terrorism,” it said.

“They discussed at length the nuclear deal with Iran, the battle against ISIS and many other regional security concerns.”

The campaign said they also discussed Israel’s experience with the security fence” used to wall off Israel from the West Bank.

Trump has made building a wall along the US-Mexico border a signature campaign promise.

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36 Responses to Anti-Zionist harvest: US Presidential Debate version

  1. Coyotl says:

    It’s hard to even tell what the majority think since online polls are completely slanted in his favor due to the overwhelming internet presence of the growing alt-right. I think the “meme factor” is finally dying off for all but his die-hard fans and more people are preparing to bite the bullet and vote for Clinton, though.

    The only thing a Trump victory could bring in our favor is to hopefully convert more leftists to True Leftism by revealing the truth of democracy: the will of the majority is not always the correct one.

  2. Aesthicaf says:

    Are you actually suggesting we vote for Hillary?
    I’m under the impression that both candidates will inevitably do the same thing.
    I also don’t see how Democrats are shifting to the anti-Israel side. They definitely seem like stronger supporters of Israel than the Republicans do, who are more likely to agree on ending funding and support for foreign nations. Also, Hillary seems to be very supportive of Barack Obama (Jew) and she intends to follow his precedence. As you all should know, Obama just approved the largest aid deal in history to Israel: $38 Billion dollars over the next 10 years.

    This year I plan to end my boycott of the elections and give my vote to the Green Party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajamu_Baraka#Israel

    “Baraka has been a vehement critic of Israel. In October 2014, Baraka traveled to the Palestinian territories… specifically called the expansion of Israeli settlements “ethnic cleansing and 21st century colonialism”; called for an end to U.S. aid to Israel; accused Israel of apartheid; and praised the “Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions” movement as “an essential tool in the struggle for Palestinian liberation… After making the visit, Baraka wrote that “a negotiated, relatively ‘peaceful’ resolution of the conflict is impossible” because “the Israeli state has no interest in a negotiated settlement with Palestinians.” He accused Israel of carrying out what he termed a “brutal occupation and illegal theft of Palestinian land,”"

  3. AS says:

    @Coyotl

    “It’s hard to even tell what the majority think since online polls are completely slanted in his favor due to the overwhelming internet presence of the growing alt-right.”

    Yes, and people are increasingly noticing the phenomenon of Alt-Right vote-stuffing:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/cnn-said-hillary-won-debate-155745363.html

    The positive question we need to be asking ourselves as activists is: what can we do to increase True Left internet presence to match or, better yet, exceed that of the Alt-Right?

    Since you are the one to point out (and I agree 100% with your observation) how far behind we are compared to the enemy on this front, could you produce a plan to remedy this?

    “more people are preparing to bite the bullet and vote for Clinton, though.”

    Let’s hope so:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm5Je73bYOY

    The Sanders fans especially need to focus on the bigger picture for now, despite their perfectly understandable disappointment that Sanders did not win the nomination. The ideas that Sanders advocates would be much easier to build on from a Clinton presidency than from a Trump presidency, and that is what they need to keep in mind.

    On the other side of the aisle, as previously mentioned, every classical (ie. sincerely anti-racist) Republican should not only want Clinton to beat Trump, but want Clinton to beat Trump BY A LARGER MARGIN than that with which Obama beat Romney, in order to demonstrate that nominating a candidate like Trump was a bad move to begin with, and hence stress the need to return the GOP to what it was before Trump gatecrashed it. I would even favour a 2020 GOP election victory so long as the 2020 presidential candidate is someone whom the Alt-Right loathes. Classical Republicans must learn to receive Alt-Right attacks on you with pride, to flaunt Alt-Right mockery of you as recognition of your unshakeable commitment to principles over interests, ideology over identity. When the Alt-Right calls you a “cuck”, all it really means is that you are impartial. Impartiality is a mark of aristocracy. (Notice that the Alt-Right has NEVER, EVER called any Jew a “cuck”, because they know as well as we do that Jews are anything but impartial. What more evidence do you need that being called a “cuck” is an emblem of superiority?)

    In case any classical Republicans – particularly those of you who are having trouble countering Alt-Right talking points even though you know intuitively that they are wrong – are reading this, I would like to emphasize that the True Left invitation is open to you too. You will have to change positions on many issues in order to join us, but you should be open-minded about doing so, because our arguments in support of these positions are not the idiotic arguments you are used to hearing from the False Left, and it may well turn out that we can offer you a more satisfying ideological home than your current one. Contact us if you are interested:

    http://aryanism.net/about/contact/

    “The only thing a Trump victory could bring in our favor is to hopefully convert more leftists to True Leftism by revealing the truth of democracy: the will of the majority is not always the correct one.”

    I agree, but would much rather leftists be pointed to this truth of democracy as already revealed in Israel, Hungary and Myanmar, rather than have to dangerously repeat the phenomenon in a country as powerful and influential as the US…..

    @Aesthicaf

    “Are you actually suggesting we vote for Hillary?”

    I don’t like her any more than you do, but yes. War is hell.

    “I’m under the impression that both candidates will inevitably do the same thing.”

    We have covered this previously:

    It’s not that we in any way like Clinton or Sanders – of course we don’t! – but as I was saying in private earlier, at least if either of them as president wanted to do something unethical, they would have to lie about why they are doing it in order to justify it, whereupon we can then expose their lie. In contrast, if Trump as president wanted to do something unethical, he would not have to lie about why he is doing it, but merely explain how it is beneficial to his clientele. This is the difference between PC presidents, who must at least make a semblance of caring about the general good (even though they don’t), and a hypothetical ZC president, who need not even pretend to care about anyone other than his own voters. This is the frightening thing about a hypothetical ZC era.

    http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/the-first-mainstream-article-that-understands-the-trump/

    “I also don’t see how Democrats are shifting to the anti-Israel side.”

    You can see it here:

    http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/i-hope-rachel-corrie-is-reading-this-somewhere/

    http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/the-true-left-is-emerging/

    “Republicans do, who are more likely to agree on ending funding and support for foreign nations”

    As has been explained many times before, non-interventionism/isolationism is exactly the wrong move at this time. What we need is for the US to actively fund and support the enemies of Israel to a greater degree than it has ever funded and supported Israel. What we need is a return to the Cold War era US mentality, but with Israel as the enemy.

    “Also, Hillary seems to be very supportive of Barack Obama (Jew) and she intends to follow his precedence.”

    We are counting on the Democrat grassroots to pressure her in the opposite direction.

    Also, it would help if you could back up your claim about Obama’s Jewishness.

    “This year I plan to end my boycott of the elections and give my vote to the Green Party.”

    Hashtali, I would like to recommend adding Ajamu Baraka to the Fellow Travellers List.

    With that said, if hypothetically Trump ends up winning by a margin comparable to the small party vote total, you would have contributed to a repeat of the 2000 election outcome of Gore losing to Bush because of the Nader vote, the consequences of which I hardly need mention. Vote as you wish.

    I believe that there can surely come a time when small parties will become significant in US politics, but not until there is no ethnic majority in the US. Only then will Americans feel safe to support the party which best represents their ideas, instead of having to vote tactically just to counter the ever-present threat of a self-interested ethnic majority bloc-vote. But a Trump victory would likely be a setback to arrival at ethnodemographic safety, and therefore a delay to the rise of the small parties. In other words, the more Americans vote tactically now, the sooner they can reach conditions when they will need no longer vote tactically.

  4. Twin Ruler says:

    The true reason “Americans” hate the Germans and Japanese so very much, is due to envy. After all, the Germans and Japanese make much better cars, trucks, and other automobiles than “Americans” do. Indeed, “Americans” only cry crocodile tears about The Holocaust and Pearl Harbor, and only on certain occasions.

    It is truly sickening to ponder that.

  5. Hashtali says:

    @AS
    “Hashtali, I would like to recommend adding Ajamu Baraka to the Fellow Travellers List.”

    Added. I just remembered I wanted to add Lucano, so thanks for that. He’s up now.
    If anybody has any recommendations of people that have an important following (like Corbyn and Galloway), who could make a comeback (like Yaqoob), or who are dead but whose memory could inspire a new beginning (like Gaddafi and Kennedy), please make them.

  6. Coyotl says:

    @AS

    “Cuck”

    Haven’t you heard, the new rightist derision for leftists is “nu-male”. Of course we all know how Hitler felt about “new males”…

    “We’ll produce from it all a new type of man, a race of rulers, a breed of viceroys. Of course, there’ll be no question of using people like that in the West!”

    The best thing the True Left could do to maintain an internet presence currently is to take advantage of social media by utilizing it frequently and dispersing counter-propaganda to match the Alt-Right’s. The Alt-Right itself had the opportunity of having both a large amount of like-minded, internet savvy people in one spot (mainly 4chan’s politics board) and a figurehead (Trump) to legitimize their views, neither of which we are currently in possession of. Of course they also have fuel in the form of Zionist false-flags and the purposefully horribly handled refugee issue.

    Of course when it comes to propaganda it has to hit the right audience in the right way, as Rockwell knew.

    http://www.faem.com/rockwell/privy.htm

    Building a network of anti-Zionist, anti-Racist Leftists by recruiting from circles that partially share our views (Vegans, anti-Traditionalists, anti-Racists a la BLM, Gnostics), and then initiating them, is the best plan I can think of. The True Left blog is the first step in the right direction, IMO, because nobody will touch any movement that bears the Swastika with a 20 foot pole, due Zionist programming from youth.

  7. AS says:

    @Hashtali

    Thanks. Also, please reply to my email.

    @Coyotl

    “Haven’t you heard, the new rightist derision for leftists is “nu-male”.”

    I have seen that around too. It fits; after all, we represent the NEOlithic era. (“Cuck” still seems much more common, though. In fact recently I saw them calling non-Paleo diet people “carb cucks”.)

    “The best thing the True Left could do to maintain an internet presence currently is to take advantage of social media by utilizing it frequently and dispersing counter-propaganda to match the Alt-Right’s. The Alt-Right itself had the opportunity of having both a large amount of like-minded, internet savvy people in one spot (mainly 4chan’s politics board) and a figurehead (Trump) to legitimize their views, neither of which we are currently in possession of.”

    Would you like to start a message board for True Left users?

    “The True Left blog is the first step in the right direction”

    Unfortunately it is a mess. We are currently looking for someone willing to redo it all over. If you would like to try, you can ask Hashtali for the passwords.

    “Swastika”

    Hey, at least, now that Pepe the Frog is the first symbol people think of when the Alt-Right is mentioned, we finally have the swastika to ourselves.

  8. Aesthicaf says:

    @Coyotl

    Thanks for sharing that piece by GLR, it’s always nice to read his stuff… I wish he was around today.

  9. Andalucian Warrior says:

    If you want a True Left imageboard, you might want to try recruiting from krautchan. There are a few sensible people on it, although many more like those on /pol.

  10. anon says:

    I second the idea of creating an imageboard. It doesn’t need to be very professional, you can use 8chan.

  11. Pandorastop says:

    @AS
    “Hey, at least, now that Pepe the Frog is the first symbol people think of when the Alt-Right is mentioned, we finally have the swastika to ourselves.”

    Yes, but I still wonder what they’re up to. I have an idea though.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/us/pepe-the-frog-hate-symbol-trnd/

  12. AS says:

    @AW & anon

    If either of you would like to get the board started, go ahead; there is no need to wait for a response from Coyotl.

    This applies in general: if you – not just you two; I am addressing everyone on our side who comments or lurks here but who is not currently on our team – see something available to be done which no one is very clearly already doing and which you are able to do, start doing it yourself and let everyone else know you are doing it so they can help you. I cannot count the weeks, months and even YEARS of time we have lost because of this activism bystander effect. An idea for a project is suggested which everyone agrees is a good idea, and then 90% of the time everyone (excluding those already working on another project) just hangs around waiting for someone else to take up the project, until either no one takes it up at all or (wait for it) those aforementioned already working on another project are forced to take up the new project on top of their existing workload(!). No wonder the rightists have opened up a massive lead on us. We are not going to catch up unless we improve our work ethic.

  13. Board owner says:

    https://8ch.net/antizion/index.html

    I hope this is sufficient for your needs. I’ll flesh it out a little over the next few days.

  14. Andalucian Warrior says:

    Why not just call the board ‘aryanism’? People who browse imageboards are one of the few groups that actually aren’t going to be put off by all the Hitler stuff, and a lot of them will already be against Jews.

  15. Hashtali says:

    @AS

    “Also, please reply to my email.”

    I have one more week of school before a break, so I’ll finish my response to you then. Sorry for the wait.

    @Board Owner

    I’m looking forward to seeing it develop.

    @AW

    “Why not just call the board ‘aryanism’?”

    I’m not entirely sure how boards like this work, but I think “antizion” will get more hits in search engines than “aryanism”, potentially making it more likely to be found. (Though this also means it’s more likely to be swamped among other related links.) Images with the word “Aryanism” on them could simply be posted after, so people can find us this way too.

  16. Coyotl says:

    @AS
    “Would you like to start a message board for True Left users?”

    This is where I would say that I certainly would LIKE to, but my circumstances wouldn’t allow me right now to handle a project like that the way I’d want to. The main reason I haven’t tried to join the movement yet (even though I plan on doing so) is because of several financial and other burdens, and I don’t want anything expected of me as of now. On top of that, I don’t have much to offer in the first place, such as the ability to set up and manage a website. My apologies.

    >If either of you would like to get the board started, go ahead; there is no need to wait for a response from Coyotl.
    Indeed.

    @Aestheticaf
    It’s one of my favorites. Obviously it is outdated but the general wisdom is still there.

    @anon/BO & AW

    I don’t recommend using 8chan for a variety of reasons (one of them being that the current owner is shady and possibly involved with the U.S. government, the other that /pol/ dominates there as well…) but I suppose you could use it as a place to recruit newcomers? I suggest making a /trueleft/ board instead of /aryanism/ or /antizion/ for now or you will just attract the wrong audience, or they will think you are a /pol/ alt board. Maybe recruit from /leftypol/.

    Ideally, somebody would start a fresh site using some imageboard software. But another reason I am reluctant is because there has yet to be a single western imageboard to grow as large as 4chan. You don’t really have to aim that high but keep it in mind.

  17. AS says:

    @BO

    Well done for taking the initiative! This is what we need to see more of!

    I agree with Coyotl, however, that the original idea was to make a True Left board. Anti-Zionism will be a major issue of the True Left so long as any Jews still exist in the world, but the True Left must at all times be a multi-issue movement, not least so that people get an intuitive feel for how our positions on all these issues are underlaid by the same foundations.

    (By the way, BO is not the same person as anon.)

  18. Pandorastop says:

    @Board Owner

    Did you create that image? That really did make me laugh out loud.

  19. Pandorastop says:

    @AS,@Hastali,@Coyotl@Board Owner

    Hell, I will create both. By next Sunday (9th of October) I will have a traditional forum and an image board up. Admin will be given to one member.

    Domain name ideas?

    -PS- I am still interested in the Real Hitler website so will ‘the volunteer’ please contact me via E-mail? Thanks.

  20. Pandorastop says:

    Concerning the ‘Real Hitler’ site there has been a change of plans ‘volunteer’. I will be contacting you instead. :]

  21. AS says:

    @Pandorastop

    “Hell, I will create both. By next Sunday (9th of October) I will have a traditional forum and an image board up. Admin will be given to one member.”

    Thank you very much indeed for the extra work.

  22. Lucius Rhine says:

    @Pandorastop do you live in the United States? I would love some help with the project here. Email me for details, if you want to discuss.

  23. @Pandorastop – You have somebody else taking on the Real Hitler project?

  24. I have created many NS humor images in a cartoon series on SoE.

    https://swordofelysium.wordpress.com/tag/humor/

    13 episodes so far, and 3 are all memes, including one new one created for the site.

  25. Pandorastop says:

    @Lucius Rhine

    No, I do not.

  26. Lucius Rhine says:

    Well AS, it would be much appreciated if you still sent any Americans you are getting my way! Haven’t heard from you in a long while, and rest assured the radio silence from me has been due to my own work here. If you have anything to speak with me about, shoot me an e-mail. Thanks.

  27. Numinous Sun says:

    @AS, Abu Haydar, Saifullah al-Maslul:

    I have some articles I am working on for the True Left site focused on the ‘anti-violence’ nature of National Socialism, (True Ahimsa vs False Ahimsa) and the warmongering nature of both Capitalists and Communists. If anyone would like to help, let me know. We also still need a ‘Western Civilization Must Die’ version for the TL site.

    As you know I recently relocated, and my primary focus presently is fixing up my house and getting my money right. Another month and a half I am thinking…

    Abu Haydar, if you are reading this and are still working on that article for the True Left site on Sufism I would love to read it! You can get my personal email address from Saifullah al-Maslul.

    Thanks.

  28. AS says:

    @Lucius

    “Well AS, it would be much appreciated if you still sent any Americans you are getting my way!”

    I have repeatedly asked JJ to help you. Have you spoken to him recently? If not, it might be worthwhile for you to contact him ASAP.

    As for new American contacts, we have had some, but they either came along already with specific projects in mind that they want to do (which I thus let them get on with), or else I never heard from them again after asking for them to volunteer.

    Your party site does not have to be complete before you make it public. The sooner you publicize it, the sooner you will start getting volunteers contacting you directly. I suggest making it public soon after the November elections, as that is when it will become clear what kind of US you will be dealing with over the next few years.

    @NS

    “the ‘anti-violence’ nature of National Socialism, (True Ahimsa vs False Ahimsa) and the warmongering nature of both Capitalists and Communists”

    All articles about National Socialism should be posted here, not the True Left site. The True Left site can link to us.

    The True Left site itself should focus on opposition to present-day enemy worldviews that are on the rise. Capitalism and communism are on the decline. They are not ideologies that young people today are excited by. If violence is what you are concerned with, it is a much more urgent priority to raise awareness towards the violence condoned by the far-right.

    Also, what the True Left site needs most is cleaning up. There is no direction over there at all. At the moment it is just a bunch of articles thrown into one place, including some articles which are not even relevant to the movement and which should be deleted. There is no overview and no broader context. If I were a new visitor to that site I would not see a movement that I would be interested in joining despite agreeing with its ideas, because it looks so disorganized. We also need a new and simpler logo. The bee is still too complicated. Would you (or anyone else) be willing to volunteer to completely redo the site?

  29. Aesthicaf says:

    @Lucius

    “Well AS, it would be much appreciated if you still sent any Americans you are getting my way!”

    If you felt that way then why don’t you type in the “Website” box a way for Americans to reach you, when you post a comment.

    @AS

    “Would you (or anyone else) be willing to volunteer to completely redo the site?”
    I can’t help you with the logos and colors, but if you give me permission I could reorganize it and write some bad ass pages for it that would have a centrally coherent message, yet touch upon a range of relevant topics. I think I can jump start this thing back to life and provide a foundation for it. I have no intention to regulate it beyond that though; I am already dedication elsewhere.

  30. AS says:

    @Aesthicaf

    “if you give me permission I could reorganize it and write some bad ass pages for it that would have a centrally coherent message, yet touch upon a range of relevant topics. I think I can jump start this thing back to life and provide a foundation for it”

    I don’t have the passwords. You will have to talk to Hashtali about it.

    @Lucius

    I just gave your email (the one you use on this blog) to an interested American who contacted us a few days ago. Please expect contact from him soon.

  31. Blake Towne says:

    Can’t it be argued that Hillary is a Zionist by being a bit more quiet about her Zionist status than Trump?

  32. Lucius Rhine says:

    @AS Thank you, I’ve also reached out to JJ, but it will typically take a few weeks for his response. This is a critical time and we need all the help we can get to get the website in working order.

  33. Numinous Sun says:

    @AS:

    “All articles about National Socialism should be posted here, not the True Left site. The True Left site can link to us.”

    Correct, but there are ways at hinting at National Socialism with out directly coming out and saying it. I do it it on the True Left Twitter feed occasionally.

    “The True Left site itself should focus on opposition to present-day enemy worldviews that are on the rise. Capitalism and communism are on the decline.”

    True, but there are still a fast number of young people who are drawn to Communism. I am following quite a few of them on the TL Twitter account also. I don’t think it hurts to at least take a stance on the issue a few times just to make it absolutely clear our positions on both. The fuse to the first firecracker I ever lit as a child burned all the way down to the firecracker, but it didn’t go off. It only went off after I picked it up and held it up to my face…

    “If I were a new visitor to that site I would not see a movement that I would be interested in joining despite agreeing with its ideas, because it looks so disorganized. We also need a new and simpler logo. The bee is still too complicated. Would you (or anyone else) be willing to volunteer to completely redo the site?”

    I agree. Yes, I can work on this. However, as stated above, it will be a while before I can dedicate a large amount of my time to it.

    I believe I also have the password for the True Left site, let me check.

  34. Numinous Sun says:

    AS:

    Pretty sure I can set up Aesthicaf as an administrator on the True Left site. Send me an email with the information required (Aesthicaf email information) if you want me to do this.

  35. Abu Haydar says:

    @Numinous Sun

    Regarding Sufism, I’ll get on it, in shaa Allaah. Pardon for my late reply the same. I had recently been working on the Fazist Handbook, also it has been exam week in my Uni.

  36. Abu Haydar says:

    I have recently joined my Uni’s Debate Council, one of my goals being is to indirectly influence people with transcendent Leftism. As for another update, I have been doing entryism with a Communist group in my area with intent into turning them over to our side. Communists are among the easiest to convert, or am I wrong?

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